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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2017, 11:51:12 AM »
Hi Guys,

The GO2A kamikazi mentioned seems like a champion when it comes to portable setups. Here is a review link: <http://www.head-fi.org/products/lh-labs-geek-out-2a/reviews/17331>

Seems like this guy thinks its a good pair with the X2's. I especially like that it supports DSD. To my ears, my DSD tracks sounds awesome on the uDSD compared to other formats I have. Although I do not have the same tracks in both DSD and FLAC format so this statement is very subjective. Does anyone on the forum actually own and/or used the GO2A for some time?

@ Hi-Phibian:
I tried another powered USB 3 hub with the uDSD last night. With the limited time I had, I could not hear a difference between the two hubs I have at various volume levels.

I think I need to listen to my X2s on any good amp, fed by my uDSD to know if my headphones are not the actual problem. Lots of guys saying that the X2s do not scale well with amplification like the HD600's, although many reviewers put these two very close in their ratings. If a good amp does not do the job, then I fear I might need to change my brand new X2 headphones. :(

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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2017, 12:48:43 PM »
Hi,

@ itscraig:
I currently use the uDSD as a DAC and headphone amp. I do not have an external headphone amp. So the aim of this topic is to figure out if I should get an external headphone amp, and if so, what to get. The alternative is to sell the uDSD and start with a new setup like a Schiit Stack  with a new DAC and AMP. The Schiit Stack is just an example, because its neat, compact, fits the budget, and has plenty of power for future headphones as well, but has no DSD support. I believe the uDSD does not get enough power to the AMP part (Hi-Phibian guiding me to try and improve that), but I like the sound and detail the DAC part provides and is much better than my PC sound. I have to turn the uDSD volume up to about 2 - 3PM and then the sound starts to deteriorate fast if my ears are not lying to me. This is now on my X2 headphones, and the sound does not have enough body at any volume, where they sound fuller on other sources without the detail of the uDSD that I like. So maybe a tube amp like the Vali 2 might make it sound fuller, but I am scared of loosing the accuracy and detail of the uDSD DAC. A pair of Samson SR850s does the same thing but becomes unbearable in the highs at that point so I avoid high volume on this pair. The Samson's are excellent for positional sound in FPS games though, and its my use and abuse pair. Not my music listening pair.

@ Kamikazi
Thanks, will drop him a message.

Thanks guys!

Cheers,
W




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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2017, 02:11:50 PM »
i am in full agreement with you that the DAC on the uDsD is in fact good, i have used a schitt magni and it made a good difference. i have one if you are interested. i have also tried it with LYR little dot and other amps. i believe that the amp side of the uDSD is a let down. on the audeze deckard it was the other way around for me. the dac was the let down the amp was really good.
i like the separate dac amp better that the combined, it gives more freedom.
the uDSD is a great amp though and really a good small travel companion.

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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2017, 05:02:14 PM »
Hi,

@ itscraig
Excellent! Thanks for sharing. You then have already done what I still wanted to test. So you would say it's worth sticking with the uDSD as a dac part, and then just getting an external amp should provide the needed improvement and juice for the headphones? Or would you say it's worth selling the uDSD and getting a new separate DAC and AMP that works together nicely (not sure what I mean with "working together nicely" but mainly compliments each other)? I would obviously be able to get a nicer amp if I keep the uDSD as DAC.. Can you remember how those different amps of yours sounded with the uDSD and make a quick comparison?

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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2017, 05:36:39 PM »
never sell the uDSD it is very good and not worth the money you get.
if you are based in JHB you can borrow the Schitt Magni 2 i have. that will give you a starting point to compare. the magni 2 is excellent value for money and has decent headroom

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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2017, 07:37:31 PM »
Thanks Craig! Sent you a PM.

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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 11:29:37 AM »
never sell the uDSD it is very good and not worth the money you get.


Absolutely. Worth it's money many times over just for its ability to drag old DACs into the computer audio era, a surprisingly competent DAC capable of main system duty and a fairly decent travel solution. It will outlast several amp upgrades in a USB-only setup.  The more important matching  question is amp-cans rather than DAC-amp.
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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 01:52:24 PM »
I can confirm it sounds great with the HPA9 (not surprising).  Gives me plenty of volume, good separation of instruments and lots of detail with punchy bass.  The better amplification needed for over ear home listening phones.
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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 05:45:47 PM »
Thanks Scubadude and Jonny! Excellent feedback! Its time to focus on a nice amp then.

Hope I can work something out with Craig and have a listen to the Magni. It will also help me determine if the X2 was a good choise for my taste.

Do you think its worth looking at a tube amp in die R3000 to R6000 range? Seems like solid state at this price point offer better value.

Cheers,
W

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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 06:23:08 PM »
Thanks Scubadude and Jonny! Excellent feedback! Its time to focus on a nice amp then.

Hope I can work something out with Craig and have a listen to the Magni. It will also help me determine if the X2 was a good choise for my taste.

Do you think its worth looking at a tube amp in die R3000 to R6000 range? Seems like solid state at this price point offer better value.

Cheers,
W
get hold of me and use the magni
don't spend too much off the bat and don't loose focus of the music and get caught up in listening to the equipment
i have 2 amps you can try.
to try equipment it is a good idea to go to the headphone meets and you get to try some top end kit, then you can compare what you have to that

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Re: uDSD and AMP pairing advice
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 08:19:02 PM »
Thanks Craig!

I have been contacted by the person arranging the meetings. I will make a plan and join them one evening. Its definitely the best way to get the exposure needed.

I sent you a PM, but its not in my Sent Items list, not sure if it indeed got sent to you or if I stuffed up a bit.

Cheers,
W