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Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« on: August 28, 2017, 04:30:10 PM »
So I found a mint pre-owned pair of Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250 - always wanted a pair.
Heck, everyone should have a pair. They ARE that good.

The nice gentleman selling them delivered to my abode on Saturday morning, and right from the opening notes of Roger Water's "In the Flesh Live" in glorious 1 bit 2.8MHz SACD DSF I knew I was going to bond just fine with these.

Tested them for about 3 minutes and was well happy, paid the man and set about swopping out the velours for the pristine ones off my DT770s.
The pads are in decent nick, however my OCD would not allow me to use them before a good wash... :nutter:

Back to Mr. Waters' opus looking forward to an improvement in SQ with the fresh pads, but no - unthinkable. They sounded terrible. Really terrible, as in incredibly bass heavy and muffled. Clarity and definition had all but disappeared. Like listening through a blanket. I was horrified - had I stuffed something up? Checked my JRiver settings from A to Z - nothing had changed. Tried various tracks and music types - unlistenable!
How could a new pair of the same pads have such an effect?

Now I'm pondering and mulling over this conundrum the whole day yesterday, and decided that surely the only sane solution is to switch back to the original (still unwashed) pads.
So I get home today and do just that, all the time wondering if a simple pad change could so comprehensively change the sound quality of these headphones (and not for the better).

Bottom line is that all is good with the world again - the original pads have given me back the sound I remembered when I first listened to them, and that sound is magnificent.
Crisp, clean and powerful right through the frequencies, with phenomenal definition and clarity.

From this I have learned that pads can and do make a HUGE and MATERIAL difference to the sound of your headphones.
Yes, I already knew this but have previously never experienced such a marked difference.

My only concern is what will they sound like when I am forced to replace the pads for new ones?


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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2017, 05:37:09 PM »
Hi,

I have the DT770. Changing pads make a massive difference to the sound. I have modified Shure 1540 pads on my set for a more relaxed, warmer, tamed highs sound, and much more comfortable fit for long hours of work. But when I want to listen to details, I swap back to stock. It's like having 2 pairs in one!

I do not think the DT770 pads are the same as DT990. They have different densities and air flow properties. They also have different part numbers, EDT770V vs EDT990V.

The DT770 pads are stiff and not as comfortable as the DT990 pads. The valour is also a bit different. At least this was when I compared my brand new DT770 with an older DT990.

I suggest ordering DT990 pads from Amazon.com or Amazon.de.

https://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-EDT990V-Headphone-Pads-Silver/dp/B001BYL5YE/

Hope it helps. Old pads suck and eeks me out as well.. you are not alone...   :giggle:



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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2017, 07:15:15 PM »
 880 pads different too?

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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2017, 09:50:24 PM »
Seems like 880 uses 990 pads.

Text from Amazon: "Replacement original ear pads velour for DT990, DT990 Pro, DT880 Premium".

There seems to be only two pad types for this range, and also both come in traditional silver and a black.

From experience, if you use closed pads (leather etc) on an open headphone, the bass increases and stuffs up the rest of the sound, severely. Need breathable pads on an open set.


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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2017, 09:52:22 PM »
Thanks Hi-Phibian

Yes the pads are different, DT770/880/990 Pro are different plus there are differences between Pro and Edition versions.  These are all available locally from dealers such as Hi-Phibian or C-Plan.

For example EDT990V are velour pads for current model DT990 specifically.  For DT770 you can get 3 different types, Softskin, velour and black velour, some differences are colour or feel only but between models different pads often will change the sound character.  The new DT1770 and 1990 actually come with 2 sets of pads to change sound character between "enhanced bass" and flat response.

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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2017, 10:26:38 PM »
Thanks Hi-Phibian

Yes the pads are different, DT770/880/990 Pro are different plus there are differences between Pro and Edition versions.  These are all available locally from dealers such as Hi-Phibian or C-Plan.

For example EDT990V are velour pads for current model DT990 specifically.  For DT770 you can get 3 different types, Softskin, velour and black velour, some differences are colour or feel only but between models different pads often will change the sound character.  The new DT1770 and 1990 actually come with 2 sets of pads to change sound character between "enhanced bass" and flat response.
Thanks that is very usefull info!

Do you perhaps know if the black velour pads are more stiff than the normal valour pads on the DT770? My black pads were more stiff than I expected, based on what I saw and what was said on YouTube before I bought my pair. I have the 80ohm Limited Black edition.


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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2017, 07:25:47 AM »
There are only 2 different pads both for DT880 and 990 with the major difference being colour not sound.  These are for open type phones and will not work correctly on DT770.

http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-990-v.html  http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/ohrmuschelsatz-24.html

The DT770 family is different with 4 types of pads some only for the older versions, some newer, different materials and different colours and different tonal characteristics,  Best to stick to the original in each case.  DT770 pads are specific to closed back headphones and will not work on 880/990.

http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-770-v.html   http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-770-vb.html
http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-770-s.html   http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/ohrmuschelsatz-35.html
There were even more in the past but out of these 4 currently available 1 will suit any version.

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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2017, 08:31:37 AM »
There are only 2 different pads both for DT880 and 990 with the major difference being colour not sound.  These are for open type phones and will not work correctly on DT770.

http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-990-v.html  http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/ohrmuschelsatz-24.html

The DT770 family is different with 4 types of pads some only for the older versions, some newer, different materials and different colours and different tonal characteristics,  Best to stick to the original in each case.  DT770 pads are specific to closed back headphones and will not work on 880/990.

http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-770-v.html   http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-770-vb.html
http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-770-s.html   http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/ohrmuschelsatz-35.html
There were even more in the past but out of these 4 currently available 1 will suit any version.

Thanks for the comprehensive info - very informative indeed. I need a new set of pads in the near future. Can I PM you in this regard?

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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2017, 09:40:45 AM »
There are only 2 different pads both for DT880 and 990 with the major difference being colour not sound.  These are for open type phones and will not work correctly on DT770.

http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-990-v.html  http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/ohrmuschelsatz-24.html

The DT770 family is different with 4 types of pads some only for the older versions, some newer, different materials and different colours and different tonal characteristics,  Best to stick to the original in each case.  DT770 pads are specific to closed back headphones and will not work on 880/990.

http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-770-v.html   http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-770-vb.html
http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/edt-770-s.html   http://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/shop/ohrmuschelsatz-35.html
There were even more in the past but out of these 4 currently available 1 will suit any version.
Thank you very much for this!

I will print it out and put in my headphone box for future reference. Love these DT770 PROs and would like to keep these work horses going for as long as possible.

Cheers!
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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2017, 10:03:49 AM »
So I found a mint pre-owned pair of Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250 - always wanted a pair.
Heck, everyone should have a pair. They ARE that good.

The nice gentleman selling them delivered to my abode on Saturday morning, and right from the opening notes of Roger Water's "In the Flesh Live" in glorious 1 bit 2.8MHz SACD DSF I knew I was going to bond just fine with these.

Tested them for about 3 minutes and was well happy, paid the man and set about swopping out the velours for the pristine ones off my DT770s.
The pads are in decent nick, however my OCD would not allow me to use them before a good wash... :nutter:

Back to Mr. Waters' opus looking forward to an improvement in SQ with the fresh pads, but no - unthinkable. They sounded terrible. Really terrible, as in incredibly bass heavy and muffled. Clarity and definition had all but disappeared. Like listening through a blanket. I was horrified - had I stuffed something up? Checked my JRiver settings from A to Z - nothing had changed. Tried various tracks and music types - unlistenable!
How could a new pair of the same pads have such an effect?

Now I'm pondering and mulling over this conundrum the whole day yesterday, and decided that surely the only sane solution is to switch back to the original (still unwashed) pads.
So I get home today and do just that, all the time wondering if a simple pad change could so comprehensively change the sound quality of these headphones (and not for the better).

Bottom line is that all is good with the world again - the original pads have given me back the sound I remembered when I first listened to them, and that sound is magnificent.
Crisp, clean and powerful right through the frequencies, with phenomenal definition and clarity.

From this I have learned that pads can and do make a HUGE and MATERIAL difference to the sound of your headphones.
Yes, I already knew this but have previously never experienced such a marked difference.

My only concern is what will they sound like when I am forced to replace the pads for new ones?

Congratulations. I'm a proud owner of these cans too and often refer to them as the best value for money critical listening headphones in the world. With proper driving, they're suited to just about everything but reference. Also, they love tubes/valves -- which means they won't be replaced in my rotation by my M1060's (which to my ears are far more suited to solid state amping).

I also own the DT770 80-Ohm and I can confirm that the pads are definitely different. I think the foam is thicker and 1wapping between the two, I experienced the same "blanket" effect you talk about.

I think Beyerdynamic aren't given nearly enough credit for how much effort they put into their stock pads compared to say Audio Technica. They seem engineered for the can they're meant to be used upon so I'd recommend buying another pair of the DT990 pads. I wouldn't be too concerned about break in.

Failing this, you could go for the ridiculously priced Shure alcantaras. I reckon the Brainwavz HM5 Hybrids may suit the signature a lot more, however,

 
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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2017, 10:07:49 AM »
Very interesting, I have never seen that before, somehow they just don't appeal to me.

Try this one
https://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/#stq=edt990&stp=1
and
https://africa-middle-east.beyerdynamic.com/#stq=edt770&stp=1

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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2017, 01:19:46 PM »
Congratulations. I'm a proud owner of these cans too and often refer to them as the best value for money critical listening headphones in the world. With proper driving, they're suited to just about everything but reference. Also, they love tubes/valves -- which means they won't be replaced in my rotation by my M1060's (which to my ears are far more suited to solid state amping).

I also own the DT770 80-Ohm and I can confirm that the pads are definitely different. I think the foam is thicker and 1wapping between the two, I experienced the same "blanket" effect you talk about.

I think Beyerdynamic aren't given nearly enough credit for how much effort they put into their stock pads compared to say Audio Technica. They seem engineered for the can they're meant to be used upon so I'd recommend buying another pair of the DT990 pads. I wouldn't be too concerned about break in.

Failing this, you could go for the ridiculously priced Shure alcantaras. I reckon the Brainwavz HM5 Hybrids may suit the signature a lot more, however,

 

Yes the Shure pads are very expensive, but so nice. I got them for a new Fostex T50RP. The Fostex went back to the US, but I kept the pads, and they got repurposed for the DT770 Pro. So I am super glad that those expensive pads did not go to waste.

I have the Brainwavz pleather and velour pads as well (hybrids were out of stock). I don't know how to fit those pads over the DT cups, I am too scared that they will tear from excessive stretching. Since the Shure pads work so nice, I am not going to try the Brainwavz pads out for now. I think the stock Beyerdynamic pads are the better replacements for the same reasons you stated, they are specifically made and tuned for the headphone they match with and should sound the best.

If I ever get my hands on a pair of DT990 pads I will try them on the DT770, just to hear what happens to the sound. It might be more comfortable without sacrificing too much sound quality.

capetownwatches, if you get new DT990 pads, please test them on the DT770 and let us know how it goes? They should be more comfortable, but it would be very interesting what it does to the sound of a closed headphone.


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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2017, 01:35:20 PM »

If I ever get my hands on a pair of DT990 pads I will try them on the DT770, just to hear what happens to the sound. It might be more comfortable without sacrificing too much sound quality.

capetownwatches, if you get new DT990 pads, please test them on the DT770 and let us know how it goes? They should be more comfortable, but it would be very interesting what it does to the sound of a closed headphone.

I did fit the DT990 pads to my DT770 and they simply destroyed the sound I have come to know and love. In fact they had the exact opposite effect to the 770 pads on the 990 in that bass response all but disappeared and the sound became extremely thin. In a word, unlistenable.

No question that these pads are tuned to their respective headphones.

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Re: Changing pads on DT990 Pros
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2017, 01:46:17 PM »
Yes the Shure pads are very expensive, but so nice. I got them for a new Fostex T50RP. The Fostex went back to the US, but I kept the pads, and they got repurposed for the DT770 Pro. So I am super glad that those expensive pads did not go to waste.

I have the Brainwavz pleather and velour pads as well (hybrids were out of stock). I don't know how to fit those pads over the DT cups, I am too scared that they will tear from excessive stretching. Since the Shure pads work so nice, I am not going to try the Brainwavz pads out for now. I think the stock Beyerdynamic pads are the better replacements for the same reasons you stated, they are specifically made and tuned for the headphone they match with and should sound the best.

If I ever get my hands on a pair of DT990 pads I will try them on the DT770, just to hear what happens to the sound. It might be more comfortable without sacrificing too much sound quality.

capetownwatches, if you get new DT990 pads, please test them on the DT770 and let us know how it goes? They should be more comfortable, but it would be very interesting what it does to the sound of a closed headphone.
100% agreed on the alcantaras. They were the best thing about the Shure phones when I demoed them a year ago. I'd love to have them, along with a collection of 3rd party pads from Dekoni, Brainwavz, etc -- just can't justify it at the moment (this will change as I get richer :P). I'm actually looking to make my own nappa leather pads and later explore this as a to-order business venture.

The 990 pads ruin the 770 in exactly the same way as visa versa. It's pretty incredible considering that on the surface, they're basically open and closed versions of each other. Obviously, there's a lot more science going on than I care to learn about ;D

Anyway, if you ever manage to fit the Brainwavz on the Beyers, let me know how it goes.
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