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New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« on: October 24, 2017, 03:58:07 PM »
The stylus of my Shure cartridge (in 3009 Ser II on Thorens TD125) is suspect and I want to replace rather than risk damage to my precious vinyl. Which from the following list would you choose if you were in my shoes?
A Jico replacement would be R1 253, including shipment;
Audio Technica AT-100E @ R1 499;
Rega Bias 2 @ R1 799;
Sumiko Pearl @ R1 600;
What else between R1 253 and R1 800 would you recommend? The Shure's trackability (that word was invented by them) I find of just as much value as a criterion as I do the sound of the cartridge.
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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2017, 08:02:16 PM »
The SME arm requires low mass cartridges with a high compliance/low tracking force to work well.  For your list of options

Jico            1.25g Tf  Yes
AT-100E      1.4g Tf    OK
Rega B2      1.8g Tf     not great
Sumiko        2+g TF    No

Basically anything tracking at more than 1.5g is not great.  If you can get the Jico here without SAPO stuffing it up/losing it that would be first prize.  AT-100E second prize bur safer bet sourced locally.

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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2017, 09:12:20 PM »
3009 2 improved or straight 2.  Straight 2 is medium mass and is happy with all common MM imo. 

S2 improved would require the high compliance types.  Ortofon OM series would then be another to consider. 







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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2017, 10:26:12 AM »
Thanks Hi-phibian and Grumpybear, that is exactly the info I needed.
S2 not improved or straight. Someone on Vynilengine also suggests Ortofon OM series. I don't suppose the so-called "scratch" styli should be considered?
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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2017, 10:29:36 AM »
How about a group buy as there seems to be a lot interest in shure styluses?

I'm looking for one for my type iii.

That could save on shipping. I can probably arrange shipment to the our branch in the UK and then courier or shipment via our normal company shipping.
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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2017, 10:40:02 AM »
Grinder man, shipping first to UK then here would IMO add to the cost, compared to what I can get a JICO stylus for, not so?
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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 11:47:03 AM »
I decided on the JICO replacement stylus and went ahead and ordered it.
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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 12:35:54 PM »
Please keep us updated on the performance and delivery.

My idea was to avoid the local post office and hopefully save slightly on shipping and then just throw them in when a shipment is made to our branch again.

At R1250 incl shipping it's really not bad if delivery goes well.
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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 02:42:22 PM »
If. 







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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 03:13:41 PM »
Yes, IF indeed, but I must say I have had a pleasant surprise locally with our post office as the coffee I buy on a monthly basis from a roaster in East London was delivered quicker than what their regular courier guy could manage: 2 days quicker.
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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 03:18:16 PM »
Though perhaps a different culture thatís not a different country.  PO Customs will be the part that may challenge your patience.  Once released from  purgatory there most goes smooth. 







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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 03:10:07 PM »
I have received my new stylus from JICO yesterday after having ordered it on 25 October - only three weeks. It has been duly installed and VTF set, but not yet tested - been a bit too busy for that. Hopefully tonight. Shall have to first set bias correction and check overhang. Lekker man!  :clap:
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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2017, 03:31:49 PM »
Keep us updated please.
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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2017, 04:57:35 PM »
3 weeks is pretty quick by SAPO standards.. Let us know how it sounds.  :thumbs:

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Re: New stylus for Shure V15 II or new cartridge (another make)
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2017, 11:00:26 AM »
I have installed the stylus and when I checked overhang discovered that it was way out. Some previous owner must have just installed the arm without setting overhang or only perhaps positioned the arm at some latter stage w/out using a protractor. The discrepancy was more than 5 mm! I had to adjust VTF (1,25g), for the new stylus has a movable guard which the old one did not have and, consequently,  bias compensation. Now it stays absolutely motionless on the smooth section of my test record.  :cool:
One of my Beethoven recordings (6th sym) has a bad sort of wobble at the start of the 1st movement that previously made the record quite unplayable on that TT while the old Technics I have did manage to play it. With the new stylus and the arm properly adjusted the stylus manages to track that section, albeit with a rather loud - depending on volume setting - click every time that section happens along.
Sound is as good as one can wish for and I am very chuffed with my purchase. :thumbs:
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