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Title: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 22, 2011, 02:34:38 PM
I have an old Acer TravelMate 2501LC Laptop that has choked itself to death on XP3. I downloaded Ubuntu 1104 and installed it as a dual-boot system on the Acer. I like it, but hate the purple colour it uses on bootup - what the hell were they thinking??

Ubuntu is so user-friendly that I have now decided to wipe my XP-partitioned HD completely and only use Linux. But the question of Linux Mint arises: I had previously played a bit with this and liked it as well. So now I need suggestions from the clever guys - do I install Mint or Ubuntu? I want the one that is easiest for a newbie to play with and just hate that yucky purple start-up screen from Ubuntu.

Specs of the Acer:

15" XGA TFT LCD
Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.8GHz
ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 IGP
1 GB DDR400 (? - I think - I upgraded it from the original 512GB DDR333 SDRAM)
40GB Ultra ATA/100 HDD
DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive.

I also would probably prefer to wipe all data on the partitioned drive and convert to only one drive ("C") - my Partition Manager 8 bombs out on opening claiming there is an error in the HDD which it wants to fix - not going that way again, I had the same problem with another Laptop and had to re-format the drive completely at great loss of brain power.


 All replies will be gratefully received, I would like to do this today still so hope I am not interrupting any afternoon naps.


-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Robert_E on May 22, 2011, 02:57:22 PM
I'm certain you can change that screen, will check at work tomorrow.
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: GearSlave on May 22, 2011, 03:07:56 PM
I don't know Mint at all. In fact, I don't even know the standard Ubuntu that well (GUI's are for sissies). Just the fact that Ubuntu (to me) seems more common should make it obvious which one to choose for a noob.
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 22, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
As Gert says, go with Ubuntu, particularly as there's a lot of new stuff in the release you're using and I've no idea how current or stable the Mint implementation is at this juncture.

Regarding one partition, backup your data, reboot from the Ubuntu CD and have it install rather than fire up the Live CD.  When prompted tell it to use your entire disk - it'll do the partitioning etc automagically.

Re the purple (not seen it, I'm too lazy to upgrade at present) it's changeable: http://tipsforu2010.blogspot.com/2011/04/change-login-screen-in-ubuntu-1104.html

This website contains a lot of handy stuff to get you going with mp3, dvd playback etc. (i.e. all the proprierary stuff) with a few clicks. http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Natty

Oh, if you find yourself missing mp3tag, install puddletag.

Guess you're not ALL old dog :P
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 22, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
Ubuntu up & running! :)

Now to change that ridiculous purple screen  :D


-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: kay on May 22, 2011, 06:20:53 PM
I'm a die-hard Debian fan from way back when, so Ubuntu all the way for me. But if the aesthetics annoy you so much and you can't figure out how change them yourself, you can also try Fedora - it's very popular and has frequent releases so the included software is always up to date.
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 22, 2011, 06:58:51 PM
Ubuntu up & running! :)

Now to change that ridiculous purple screen  :D
What do you plan on using the laptop for - happy to suggest some packages if you're looking for windows replacements?
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 22, 2011, 09:23:30 PM
Have no idea what I will be using the laptop for... I just gave up on Windoze because the laptop had been standing for about 6 months prior to switching it on. It took 45 minutes to open XP (SP3 and all updates upto about Dec 2010 were installed). A similar period of time to open ANY application. After a dozen or so further XP updates and much defrag/delete/defrag, it only took a few seconds to open anything, including FF4, and all seemed well. Then on Friday evening the newly-updated FF4.01 froze and I figured "That's it! You've had your chance."

So I figured I may as well hone my (lack of) Linux skills as I was not using the laptop for anything in particular.

I would like to find a Linux program that can import files from Movie Collector & Music Collector - that would be useful.

www.collectorz.com

 
-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 22, 2011, 09:42:10 PM
Have a look here: http://linuxappfinder.com/alternatives?search_text=Collectorz
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 22, 2011, 10:22:27 PM
Data Crow seems to be one that could work. Many thanks for your assistance.  :)


-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 24, 2011, 12:08:03 PM
I've downloaded Datacrow Full Version Installer 3.9.7 and I get what is evident from the screenshot below.

How do I run this programme? I expected a screenshot similar to Collectorz Music Collector:


 (http://images.collectorz.com/music/screenshots/addalbumsautoW.png)



I really need to get out of this Windows mindset!


-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 24, 2011, 12:28:20 PM
This is how it is supposed to look, from the screenshots available on the datacrow webpage:

(http://www.datacrow.net/pics/screenshots/software.png)

So I guess the problem lies with me...  ::) :-[


-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 24, 2011, 01:29:00 PM
from thgeir FAQ:

Ubuntu 10 (and higher versions) issues

Firstly install Sun from Java:
# sun-java6-jre
# sun-java6-plugin (the plugin to make mozilla programs work).
The EULA needs to be accepted for the install to complete.
Then make this Java version the default Java version by running the following command in the terminal
sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun
(Thanks to Thane for providing details).


I downloaded the installation and now I got myself a jar file .. ?

Try a "double-click" first. The jar file is a self-executing file. If that didn't help at all it means you either you have no Java Runtime Environment installed or Java is not correctly setup. If Java is not installed go to the Java homepage and download the latest version. If Java is installed, type (in the folder where Data Crow is located): java -Xmx256m -jar <filename>

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Of couse you could create a launcher to do that for you so all you do is click an icon as you do for other apps.
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 24, 2011, 02:49:07 PM
I had double-clicked on the jar file, and this gave me the second screen shot in my post #10 above.

Prior to this, I tried installing Java according to these steps:

1. Open Terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal

2. Next, type the following into the terminal: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-fonts sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin and press Enter

3. Wait until it loads entirely, then the terminal will change into an old-fashioned window with no mouse user interface. Use the down arrow to scroll down until you can't scroll further. Then press the right arrow and hit enter to accept the license agreement.

4. After accepting the license agreement, Java will download and it will ask you several questions about configuration which you should choose based on what you want.


After trying to puzzle out the "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-fonts sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin" problem for over half an hour, I eventually got somewhere, but only to be told that the particular version of Java is not available. Would this have been replaced perhaps by a newer version of Java?

Thanks for all your patience, I am at the bottom end of a learning curve!


-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 24, 2011, 03:05:41 PM
OK, seems I do have Java installed... ;)

-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 24, 2011, 03:08:33 PM
Getting Java sorted as part of the default install is something I wish Ubuntu woulod focus on.  Best be ist to install Sun Java rather than what you showed above

run
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sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin && sudo update-alternatives --config java and if it prompts you with some choices select the /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java option.

That should tell it which instance of Java you want to use.  Then try relaunching.
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 26, 2011, 03:19:56 PM
The Gods are still not with me... ;)

This is what I get:

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eric@eric-TravelMate-2500:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin && sudo update-alternatives --config java
[sudo] password for eric:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Package sun-java6-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

Package sun-java6-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

E: Package 'sun-java6-jre' has no installation candidate
E: Package 'sun-java6-plugin' has no installation candidate
-----

Thanks for your patience with a total Linux newbie, but everyday I feel I am learning something new... like how to now work with "Terminal" :)


-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 26, 2011, 04:32:46 PM
Thanks for your patience with a total Linux newbie, but everyday I feel I am learning something new... like how to now work with "Terminal" :)

-F_D
Sorry, I think I jumped the gun and asusmed you'd added some software repositories to your setup.  Follow the instuctions here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Natty#Add_Extra_Repositories  and add the deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty main restricted deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty main restricted
and deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ natty free non-free repositories

Then run
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sudo apt-get update and rerun the instuctions re getting java installed.
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Family_Dog on May 27, 2011, 10:36:51 AM
Latest I now get after doing this is:

"PG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org natty InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/natty/repositories/source/Sources  404  Not Found
Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/natty/repositories/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'deb-src/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead."

I suppose one day I might look back and laugh at this...? Right now, it is proving most stressful to the old grey matter between my ears.


-F_D
Title: Re: Help! Ubuntu or Linux Mint - or ??
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 27, 2011, 06:55:16 PM
You didn't follow all the instuctions on that page:

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wget --quiet http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O - | sudo apt-key add -
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sudo apt-get update