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Title: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 17, 2016, 12:22:55 PM
Hi guys

I searched and I couldn't find a thread dedicated to coffee so I thought I'd start one.

I've been a coffee fiend for about five years now. When I go out I find it difficult to order a cappuccino, americana or any coffee drink for that matter because everyone just makes them so badly.

I have a small talk for the baristas when they make bad coffee - The beans that he is using was grown in tough climates, they were all hand picked and hand sorted, shipped half way around the world, they were then roasted, repackage and send to him. By making a bad coffee he is betraying the entire chain of people and hard effort that made that shot possible. Sometimes it works.

I would love to hear from other coffee lovers here and if you have any questions regarding machines, grinding or roasting I'm here ;)

Edit, I'm new here and also need to make friends ;P
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: oradba69 on May 17, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
I have been contemplating upgrading my capsule jobbie to a bean to cup.
I quite like the Jura E8 machine after lots of internet research. Would love to hear your opinion on this machine.
Biggest problem is to get a shop that can demo a few machines.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 17, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
As far as automatics go the Jura E8 is well built. They are all made in Switzerland and so quality is about the best you are going to get.

Remember that one touch machine will be able to make you a coffee that will probably max out at an 7.5 out of 10. This is a consequence of the connivance of just putting your beans in, tweaking it slightly and pressing a button. These are ideal for a multi user environment, so if it's for home and your wife also enjoys a good coffee the learning curve for her would be min.

The nice thing is that it's customisable to a degree, each dink can be tweaked to your liking and it's easy to use. There are also a couple of levels of grind to choose from. This is what most people miss, how well a coffee brews is directly linked to the relationship of the grind and bean. Because this allows that adjustment it get a plus in my books. It also has a foaming function that works pretty well but it does involve a little maintenance in terms of rinsing after use.

Automatics can last a long time but it's crucial to keep them clean.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Crankshaft on May 17, 2016, 02:53:38 PM
Can you recommend a good grinder.  I would like to upgrade from ready-ground coffee.

I use a Bialetti Moka Express no. 3 for a single cup of good strong coffee.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 17, 2016, 03:07:17 PM
Can you recommend a good grinder.  I would like to upgrade from ready-ground coffee.

I use a Bialetti Moka Express no. 3 for a single cup of good strong coffee.

If you are having 2-3 cups a day with your Bialetti I think the best way to go would be with a nice hand grinder like this one  http://capecoffeebeans.co.za/collections/coffee-grinders/products/gater-ceramic-burr-manual-coffee-grinder?variant=566679265 (http://capecoffeebeans.co.za/collections/coffee-grinders/products/gater-ceramic-burr-manual-coffee-grinder?variant=566679265).

The Bialetti is a nice hands on process when making an espresso so you may as well complete the experience with a hand grinder. The other nice thing about getting a hand grinder is that it's portable along with your Bialetti.

When looking at a hand grinder or any grinder for that matter, make sure that it's a burr grinder and not a blade grinder. Blade grinder are rubbish and should never be considered.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Kemosabe on May 17, 2016, 04:12:06 PM
Nice thread!
I also stopped getting cappuccino from the big coffee chains because Im tired of paying top dollar for 5/10 swill.
And the arguments which ensue about the correct foam to steamed milk ratio just puts me in a bad mood instantly.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 17, 2016, 04:33:04 PM
Nice thread!
I also stopped getting cappuccino from the big coffee chains because Im tired of paying top dollar for 5/10 swill.
And the arguments which ensue about the correct foam to steamed milk ratio just puts me in a bad mood instantly.

It kills me when I ask for an Americano and they run the shot to fill the cup.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Eish on May 17, 2016, 04:47:52 PM
I used to call myself an avid coffee slurrper until I ordered an Espresso and had the equivalent of "brainfreeze".

Coffee (not espresso) from popular chains tastes absolutely awful and bitter to me and takes the enjoyment out of the experience.  Even when I dilute it 50:50, it still tastes too bitter.  I bought my own percolator, buy my own beans - medium roast arabica mostly.  Grind it slightly rough.  Brew it to medium strength and always enjoy a great cuppa.  I stopped buying from coffee shops altogether.  I just didn't get the taste.

I rarely buy Capuccino at airports, which is the closest thing I can get to my home brewed nirvana.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JonnyP on May 17, 2016, 05:57:54 PM
First thing I do on arrival at my brother's place is ask his wife if she's thinking of making coffee.  She's Ethiopian therefore the coffee takes a little longer as the beans need roasting first.  Tradition dictates that it's served in the little cups in rounds.  Damn fine coffee (made slowly with love) and I always rib her that it's not as good as that made by her mother.  I made the mistake of saying her friend made it better once, the next day her friend was called around to make coffee!
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Bigray on May 17, 2016, 06:52:48 PM
It kills me when I ask for an Americano and they run the shot to fill the cup.

Same problem with automatic machines when you select a long coffee. It just runs water through the beans until the cup is full.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Bigray on May 17, 2016, 07:02:47 PM
I find that a huge factor in the quality is the period of time between roast and consumption. I've noticed that the coffee beans you'll purchase in most supermarkets has a shelf life of 1 year. Better brands/suppliers have a 3 month shelf life. The roaster I buy from keeps beans on the shelf for max 1 month from the roasting date. The difference in taste is incomparable.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Razr on May 17, 2016, 07:09:11 PM
I find that a huge factor in the quality is the period of time between roast and consumption. I've noticed that the coffee beans you'll purchase in most supermarkets has a shelf life of 1 year. Better brands/suppliers have a 3 month shelf life. The roaster I buy from keeps beans on the shelf for max 1 month from the roasting date. The difference in taste is incomparable.

who's the roaster i always like to try out new coffees , and what beans do you get from them
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Bigray on May 17, 2016, 07:26:33 PM
who's the roaster i always like to try out new coffees , and what beans do you get from them

Sent you a PM with the details.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 17, 2016, 07:33:57 PM
How about something like this: http://www.takealot.com/kitchenaid-burr-grinder-almond-cream/PLID41481567 ?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 17, 2016, 07:58:40 PM
I used to call myself an avid coffee slurrper until I ordered an Espresso and had the equivalent of "brainfreeze".

Coffee (not espresso) from popular chains tastes absolutely awful and bitter to me and takes the enjoyment out of the experience.  Even when I dilute it 50:50, it still tastes too bitter.  I bought my own percolator, buy my own beans - medium roast arabica mostly.  Grind it slightly rough.  Brew it to medium strength and always enjoy a great cuppa.  I stopped buying from coffee shops altogether.  I just didn't get the taste.

I rarely buy Capuccino at airports, which is the closest thing I can get to my home brewed nirvana.

It's a misconception that when coffee is strong it's bitter. Bitter coffee is badly made coffee. When the barista runs the pour too long or too hot it burns the coffee and it tastes terrible, very bitter.

Dark roasts like they use in woolies have a fuller taste and the subtleties in the flavor are lost during the roast. This kind of roast will taste ok as a cappuccino but not great as an espresso or Americano.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Curlycat on May 17, 2016, 08:07:56 PM
I LOVE coffee. I maintain I was not raised on milk, but coffee. I buy my beans from Peacock coffees and grind just enough for one cup at a time. I don't have a fancy automatic R10K cuppacino machine, but have a R1K Russel Hobbs bought from Pick n Pay on special. It brews the same way as the old type cappuccino machines does in restaurants. Nothing is automatic, but boy, it makes an awesome cuppa java. Thick crema on top.

I used to store my coffee in the fridge, but don't anymore. I read it's actually not good to store in the fridge?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 17, 2016, 08:21:35 PM
How about something like this: http://www.takealot.com/kitchenaid-burr-grinder-almond-cream/PLID41481567 ?

This grinder is not worth that amount of cash, it's very consumer grade and won't last long. For a little more cash I'd rather get one of these https://www.pricecheck.co.za/offers/77358707/Nuova+Simonelli+Grinta+Grinder (https://www.pricecheck.co.za/offers/77358707/Nuova+Simonelli+Grinta+Grinder) it's got proper adjustment and the build is much better quality.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 17, 2016, 08:34:24 PM
I guess it's better value than a record cleaner. I'll start with the manual grinder.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Bigray on May 17, 2016, 08:44:39 PM
I used to store my coffee in the fridge, but don't anymore. I read it's actually not good to store in the fridge?

The coffee dries out if kept in a fridge, and additionally it absorbs odours from other produce stored in there as well. I heard from a barista that ground coffee can be frozen, but not indefinitely. Beans are best kept in an airtight container.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 17, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
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I used to store my coffee in the fridge, but don't anymore. I read it's actually not good to store in the fridge?

It's not that the cold is bad, it's the condensation on the beans caused by the change in temperature when you take them in and out the fridge that's bad.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Curlycat on May 17, 2016, 09:02:10 PM
Thanks guys, yeah, storing ground or beans in the fridge never seemed right to me.

I tried Kopi Luwak coffee a while ago... absolutely terrible coffee IMO. Interesting conversation topic, but bland tasting coffee. I gave it away.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 17, 2016, 09:10:49 PM
I guess it's better value than a record cleaner. I'll start with the manual grinder.

Great choice, there is also something nice about hand grinding. It becomes a bit of a ritual that you'll enjoy as much as the coffee itself.

Also if you don't have a descent machine at work look at one of these https://www.yuppiechef.com/aeropress.htm?id=7492&name=AeroPress-Coffee-Maker (https://www.yuppiechef.com/aeropress.htm?id=7492&name=AeroPress-Coffee-Maker) it's one of favorite coffee toys and it's so simple, it also makes great coffee.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 17, 2016, 09:22:03 PM
Grinder? https://www.yuppiechef.com/porlex.htm?id=10736&name=Porlex-Mini-Hand-Coffee-Grinder&PHPSESSID=8klag6vgp61h83eah3kfdqss11
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 17, 2016, 10:01:28 PM
Grinder? https://www.yuppiechef.com/porlex.htm?id=10736&name=Porlex-Mini-Hand-Coffee-Grinder&PHPSESSID=8klag6vgp61h83eah3kfdqss11

That would be a great buy, have a look at the Aeropress, they would go great together.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 17, 2016, 10:03:46 PM
How quick can you get a cup out of an aeropress?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: gapco on May 17, 2016, 10:59:39 PM
How quick can you get a cup out of an aeropress?

Here's a video for comparison purposes between similar coffee extraction methods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGjjcSwX3JM

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Skylark on May 17, 2016, 11:09:42 PM
The aeropress is pretty amazing, great invention, those Kitchenaid grinders are quite decent and reasonably well made but nothing spectacular, not a long term investment.

There's a small artisan British maker of hand grinders, takes the same industrial burr used in many of the top class industrial electric grinders and builds it into a portable grinder with wooden sides, sealed bearings, all precision machined.

That's what you want, the burrs will outlive you, can't remember the name, cost around R3.5k but the value for money is rather spectacular.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: gapco on May 17, 2016, 11:32:27 PM
 Blade grinder are rubbish and should never be considered.
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Don't know where you get this from, stop speaking to the wannabee baristas with beards, body art and funny hairstyles who make you the crappy coffee you complain about. These guys have industrial grinders to work with.

Blade grinders are the most sold worldwide in their millions. Only downfall is when they break you have to buy another one.
 
There is a simple system to get whatever grind you want, be it for filter, pour over, moka pot and even espresso.

Method is grind for 10 seconds, rest for 10 seconds and so on. This way the beans are not overheated and you get the required grind.




 

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: gapco on May 17, 2016, 11:42:53 PM
For electric burr grinders the Severin M38XX can't remember the model is a great grinder. Needs to be modded though for espresso grinds which is a simple thirty minute job.

Costs less than 2K and I don't get any in for repairs.



Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Skylark on May 18, 2016, 01:28:42 AM
These are the hand grinders I was thinking about:
http://www.madebyknock.com/handgrind-grinders.html
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 18, 2016, 07:06:21 AM
Blade grinder are rubbish and should never be considered.


Don't know where you get this from, stop speaking to the wannabee baristas with beards, body art and funny hairstyles who make you the crappy coffee you complain about. These guys have industrial grinders to work with.

Blade grinders are the most sold worldwide in their millions. Only downfall is when they break you have to buy another one.
 
There is a simple system to get whatever grind you want, be it for filter, pour over, moka pot and even espresso.

Method is grind for 10 seconds, rest for 10 seconds and so on. This way the beans are not overheated and you get the required grind.

Blade grinders cut the coffee bean which is very different from crushing it like a burr grinder. Can you gut garlic to the constancy you get when you use a crusher? I think not. They could possibly be the most sold worldwide because they are the cheapest. What do you think there are more of, consumers wanting small cheap grinders at home or coffee bars wanting hi volume, robust grinders?

I didn't complain about bearded, tattoos baristas, they are the guys who usually make the quality coffee. Please quote on where I said that?

The only differences between a small quality burr grinder and an "industrial one" the way you put it is the degrees of adjustability, build quality, consistency and volume. Also these grinders yield a better result so again the bearded barista you speak of will make a better coffee using one not a worse one.

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Crankshaft on May 18, 2016, 08:18:31 AM
I just dug and old coffee grinder out of the kitchen cupboard.

It was a gift from some years ago.  Looks like a vintage metal-conical-burr type.

Not sure of the quality - seems a bit trinketty, but I'll clean it up and give it a spin.

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 18, 2016, 09:13:56 AM
Sometimes it's not a bad idea to stick a vacume down the top and suck out all the dust.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: gapco on May 18, 2016, 09:35:20 AM
OK I won't post any more comments here. There are obviously members who know better than my many years of experience in coffee roasting/making and equipment repairing.

I'll follow the thread though just in case I'm reminded of something I may have forgotten.  :popcorn:



Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 18, 2016, 09:55:47 AM
The French have been making cars for decades...
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Skylark on May 18, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
OK I won't post any more comments here. There are obviously members who know better than my many years of experience in coffee roasting/making and equipment repairing.

I'll follow the thread though just in case I'm reminded of something I may have forgotten.  :popcorn:
And you would be?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: alternativeroute on May 18, 2016, 10:57:04 AM
The French have been making cars for decades...

 :ROFLMAO:  :ROFLMAO:  :ROFLMAO:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Trompie67 on May 18, 2016, 11:49:05 AM
The French have been making cars for decades...

 :BWAHAHAH: :BWAHAHAH: :BWAHAHAH:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: vorsteac on May 20, 2016, 05:36:12 AM
Great thread guys1

I used a Krups manual machine for a number of years until it gave up the ghost.
I then moved on to a cheapie Boardmans machine (also manual).

Used a Krups burr grinder for years, even had to bypass the safety switch when that gave in.

Recently I became more lazy and moved to a Phillips Seaco Minuto. Automatic machine.
Got it on a really good special at Makro (R4000.00) for a bean-to-cup machine. No brainer.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Trompie67 on May 20, 2016, 07:40:31 AM
For those in Jozi pop in to Sprada - they're part of Foghound Studios on Richards Drive in Midrand.

Full range of bean to cup machines.

We used to do all their machine and coffee bean deliveries & returns for them. Ratio of returns to deliveries was around 1 in 30, so they seem to be reliable - that included coffee shops and privately owned machines.

http://www.foghound.co.za/sprada/
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: xenithon on May 20, 2016, 12:32:50 PM
For those in Jozi pop in to Sprada - they're part of Foghound Studios on Richards Drive in Midrand.

Full range of bean to cup machines.

We used to do all their machine and coffee bean deliveries & returns for them. Ratio of returns to deliveries was around 1 in 30, so they seem to be reliable - that included coffee shops and privately owned machines.

http://www.foghound.co.za/sprada/

I suggested my brother get one and he is very happy. It is an SA company but the machines are manufactured in Switzerland so are pretty well built.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 21, 2016, 07:29:57 AM
http://www.foghound.co.za/sprada/

Fogbound also have some descent beans, had them a few times and they are pretty good.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 24, 2016, 03:42:25 PM
Went to Starbucks in Mall of Africa today. The store look great, big, nice look and I think it would be a good place to meet mates and chat. The coffee however is very mediocre. I would defintely not stand in a line there to get one. Some tell me the food there is better than the coffee.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 24, 2016, 03:49:45 PM
Went to Starbucks in Mall of Africa today. The store look great, big, nice look and I think it would be a good place to meet mates and chat. The coffee however is very mediocre. I would defintely not stand in a line there to get one. Some tell me the food there is better than the coffee.

Starbucks is hugely overrated - experienced their coffee when I was in New Zealand and the average corner cafe made better quality. Locally I enjoy Seattle Coffee in Cresta. Have had the (very) occasional slightly bitter cup, but in general their stuff is really nice.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 24, 2016, 06:11:45 PM
Starbucks is hugely overrated - experienced their coffee when I was in New Zealand and the average corner cafe made better quality. Locally I enjoy Seattle Coffee in Cresta. Have had the (very) occasional slightly bitter cup, but in general their stuff is really nice.

Seattle in Cresta are great and whole lot better than the Starbucks that I had today. Motherland in Rosebank are also consistanly good.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Bigray on May 27, 2016, 09:12:14 AM
Seattle in Cresta are great and whole lot better than the Starbucks that I had today. Motherland in Rosebank are also consistanly good.

Seattle in Menlyn also offers a decent cup and service. Unfortunately not enough seating during busy periods.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 27, 2016, 06:53:05 PM
Ordered the air press and manual ceramic burr grinder this morning. Hopefully enjoying great coffee by Wednesday.

Can anyone recommend some great beans/ roasts.  Like my coffee strong but not at all burnt.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Bigray on May 27, 2016, 09:02:19 PM
Can anyone recommend some great beans/ roasts.  Like my coffee strong but not at all burnt.

Not sure where you are situated, but try www.heavenlycoffees.com in Centurion. They deliver freshly roasted beans nationwide.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: xenithon on May 28, 2016, 09:44:56 AM
Ordered the air press and manual ceramic burr grinder this morning. Hopefully enjoying great coffee by Wednesday.

Can anyone recommend some great beans/ roasts.  Like my coffee strong but not at all burnt.

My favorites so far:
- Urban Grind Parkhurst (especially their blend "The Judge")
- 4th Avenue Roasters, Parkhurst
- Bean There, 44 Stanley
- Coffee Exchange, Kyalami
- Peacock Tea and Coffee, Rosebank

In all cases I only buy when there is a roasting date and it wasn't more than 2 weeks ago (500g lasts me about 2 weeks and coffee should be used max a month after roasting).
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 28, 2016, 07:01:30 PM
Ordered the air press and manual ceramic burr grinder this morning. Hopefully enjoying great coffee by Wednesday.

Can anyone recommend some great beans/ roasts.  Like my coffee strong but not at all burnt.

Great news, you are going to love it.

Urban grind is pretty good, they also sell Delux coffee from Cape Town which is good value.
Bean There is good if you but it from their HQ on 44 Stantley. Quite pricey though. Avoid it in PicknPay or Spar. It's usually quite old.

Try Ethiopian bean, they are fairly light and fruity. If you prefer more of a coffee punch go for Malawian or Gwatamala.

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Skylark on May 28, 2016, 10:16:36 PM
Ordered the air press and manual ceramic burr grinder this morning. Hopefully enjoying great coffee by Wednesday.

Can anyone recommend some great beans/ roasts.  Like my coffee strong but not at all burnt.
Did you add an Able brewing Fine Ss filter with your Aeropress order?

Winner, let's through more crema and lasts forever, also easier cleanup. Just make sure you clean/rinse directly after use, I blocked mine completely by often leaving it to stand with the grinds impregnated, was quite a process getting all the tiny holes unblocked.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: leonpjhb on May 28, 2016, 11:11:06 PM
Only discovered this thread now!
I love coffee and to some extent it prompted me to open up a eatery, as I was tired of lifeless watery, overly milky coffee drinks.
I have been roasting coffee at home for a while (with fire, stovetop and electronic machine) to get to know the actual product and much like the Audio bug, the Coffee bug bit me, badly. :-)
Coffee is wonderful when made well with good beans and attention to detail. You do not need fancy anything to make good coffee, I hope coffee making with it's associated goodness becomes something people love and embrace widely, it seems so.
My coffee is roasted in the good cape and trucked up every three weeks (2 if possible) at the moment these days. Fresher is better imo.

I also think this thread needs some pics of coffee making rigs, coffee creations, etc
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: leonpjhb on May 28, 2016, 11:13:49 PM
My coffee rig at the moment:
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u392/leonpjhb/image_4.jpeg)

(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u392/leonpjhb/image_3.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: BWS on May 30, 2016, 07:24:53 AM
My coffee rig at the moment:
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u392/leonpjhb/image_4.jpeg)

(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u392/leonpjhb/image_3.jpeg)


You do not need fancy anything to make good coffee,


 :thinking:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Mavrik on May 30, 2016, 08:00:31 AM
Tried my hand at roasting.
Green beans from RYO.
Great way to learn about different beans; effect of roasting different lengths at different temperatures using different methods.

I've fried them in a pan.
Used a popcorn machine.
Great fun!

Bought that 500 ront ceramic burr hand grinder.
Used it a few times only.
Major hard work!

Used an Italian style percolator.

Acquired a whole new respect for proper barista's!

Making good coffee is hard !!!

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 30, 2016, 08:06:25 AM
Did you add an Able brewing Fine Ss filter with your Aeropress order?
:wallbreak: have now, but the regular one. You'd recommend the finer one?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: oradba69 on May 30, 2016, 08:38:59 AM
Got my Jura E8 last week.
Love the thing.
Only complaint I have is that the coffee is not hot enough.
Thumbs up to heavenly coffees for excellent service on this purchase.

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: xenithon on May 30, 2016, 08:52:20 AM
Got my Jura E8 last week.
Love the thing.
Only complaint I have is that the coffee is not hot enough.
Thumbs up to heavenly coffees for excellent service on this purchase.

That's my one gripe with my Jura - even with the temp set to hot on the machine. What I have found works a treat (since we have mainly flat white and caps) is I preheat the milk in the microwave for a minute (together with the cups) and the resultant coffee is the perfect temp. Also remember that coffee should be extracted at 92-95 degrees Celcius; higher temps start to destroy the oils and taste of the coffee.

Cheers
X
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Rotten Johnny on May 30, 2016, 09:23:12 AM
How does one get the best crema?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: BWS on May 30, 2016, 10:37:37 AM
How does one get the best crema?

Correct grind, pressure and temperature
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: xenithon on May 30, 2016, 10:39:23 AM
Correct grind, pressure and temperature

And freshly roasted beans - used within 1-3 weeks after roasting.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on May 30, 2016, 12:35:21 PM
How does one get the best crema?

I think the beginning step to the best crema is using the freshest beans as xenithon said.

With the Aeropress it's difficult to get crema because it's a filtered coffee. To get great results with the Aeropress grind your beans a little coarser. Then when you pour the water make sure that it's right off the boil, in JHB the temp should be ideal. Pour slower and from a hight, you'll see, if your coffee is fresh you'll get a massive crema type foam at the top. Leave it to brew for 1 min and filter through.

With the Jura I've found that those Nespresso frothers work great. They warm the milk and aerate it at the same time, not quite as good as steam but better than the microwave. As zenithon said, be careful not to overheat the milk. At the right temps (just hot enough to touch) 90 odd deg the milk will release sugars which will give your coffee that lovely natural sweetness and should negate the need for any sugar. At higher temps the protiens in the milk break down and makes the milk taste awful.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: BWS on May 30, 2016, 12:43:45 PM
^^ You'll only get proper crema from an espressed shot under correct pressure. Crema has nothing to do with the frothing of the milk.

Freshness of the bean, grind, amount of pressure applied to the grind when compacting and fitting to the machine and the pressure at which the water is forced through the grind is what is key.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Skylark on May 30, 2016, 02:46:14 PM
:wallbreak: have now, but the regular one. You'd recommend the finer one?
That's supposed to be the best one, never tried the regular one, probably only marginally worse/with some positive tradeoffs so I'd just stick with it. Just having a metal filter is the winner, paper filters virtually nullify the crema.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: BWS on June 03, 2016, 01:07:20 PM
http://thechive.com/2016/06/03/one-womans-facebook-rant-about-hipster-coffee-photos/
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: xenithon on June 13, 2016, 11:15:12 AM
When I went to buy some fresh beans this weekend at Urban Grind they had a really cool contraption called Cafflano. It is an all-in-one grinder, drip brewer and cup (imagine combining a proper manual conical burr with a Hario).

You can read up about it here (http://cafflanoshop.com).

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Rotten Johnny on June 13, 2016, 12:24:22 PM
^^^ how much?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: xenithon on June 13, 2016, 12:36:33 PM
Around R1.4k
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Daredevil on June 22, 2016, 07:40:32 AM
Looks great, let us know how it works.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Bigray on July 28, 2016, 12:08:13 PM
Did anyone attend the Coffee & Chocolate expo at Montecasino? I was somewhat disappointed, considering the R150 cover charge. Some decent products available though at fair price.
Title: Kenna Coffee
Post by: santoshlv426 on August 11, 2016, 01:36:36 PM
Does anyone purchase Kenna coffee e.g. from Spar or PnP or Checkers. I've always seen this, very cheap but never tried it. When I was able to afford it, my choice was Illy and Lavazza - which is quite expensive now. I've just discovered great tasting Tribeca coffee here in Centurion at very reasonable prices compared to the imported Italian's mentioned above.
So I'm of the opinion that price isn't necessarily reflective of a good coffee.
In that vein, I'm keen to try Kenna, which on a R/cup basis, works out quite cheap, however, is it worth while ?

What have you guys found as a good coffee for a decent R/cup price ? How do's the Pods compare ?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: xenithon on August 11, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Pods ultimately are costlier for sure; and nowhere near the variety. Whilst cost is not always reflective, I find that for fresh coffee it often is. I stress "fresh" because I would never buy coffee at a Spar or other grocery store where they have been sitting for weeks or months. Coffee should be used within 2-4 weeks after roasting the beans.

In terms of price; I have had great coffees at R60/250g bag. Some terrible ones too. Average for a good bag of beans is around R70. Some astoundingly good ones at around R120 but that is only for special occasions.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: WELIHF on February 10, 2017, 08:05:18 PM
Recently started roasting my own beans on the stove. Works surprisingly well but makes quite a mess with the chaff.

My second batch so far


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Abu on February 10, 2017, 08:56:40 PM
Own beans? You plant ?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: WELIHF on February 11, 2017, 12:01:38 PM
Bought the beans from Heavenly Coffees in Centurion.

Still trying out different ones, this is a Brazil bean that I find a bit too mild

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Abu on February 11, 2017, 07:52:01 PM
Heavenly Coffees.. cool. I see they are quite reasonable with most beans 50 to 60 bucks per 250g.

I think I'll give them a go. Any favourites?


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: WELIHF on February 11, 2017, 08:50:54 PM
Their raw beans are almost half the price.

Their Angels brew blend is quite good

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on February 22, 2017, 12:34:31 PM
Recently started roasting my own beans on the stove. Works surprisingly well but makes quite a mess with the chaff.

My second batch so far


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Nice to see someone is playing with coffee to. I'm busy planning on building my own small roaster to roast about 1 to 2 kg coffee.

Hahaha! jip, it can make a lot of chaff. What you can do is, play a bit with your heat to form a profile. Get a stop watch and start timing it  and write it down when you turn the heat a bit down, and then up again, to change caramelization of the sugar in side the bean.  You will be amaze what sort of taste you get.

We spoil with all the places in cape town that sells beans and all the roasters.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Mavrik on March 05, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
Best coffee I've tasted = Hazz

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on March 05, 2017, 03:21:52 PM
 At the Muizenberg market today, Mugg and Bean pods at R20 for a pack of 10.  6 different flavours
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Jazzy on January 10, 2018, 07:10:19 PM
I asked someone how they make the coffee they sell at their shop and he said they use Segafredo Extra Strong, grind it, and gooi in a plunger with hot water. Can it ever be that simple or is he protecting his secret recipe? It is by far the best black 'americano' I have tasted and I want to make it at the office daily. Your thoughts and advice?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: gavinbirss on January 10, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
I asked someone how they make the coffee they sell at their shop and he said they use Segafredo Extra Strong, grind it, and gooi in a plunger with hot water. Can it ever be that simple or is he protecting his secret recipe? It is by far the best black 'americano' I have tasted and I want to make it at the office daily. Your thoughts and advice?

It was not muddy and had gold bubbles? Find a plunger seldon gives a clean brew like a poor-over with a proper filter. Can you describe what made it the best 'americano'?

The secret here may just be that the beans were fresh and correctly grinded?

See it is not a cheap bean, dollar and local price seems to be R 350-480 or more per KG

Aroma?
Flavor?
Taste? Acidity?
Sugar or sweetner added?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Jazzy on January 10, 2018, 08:41:43 PM
Yes it was muddy and tasted creamy and smooth! Rounded rich flavour. Just tasted like nothing I have had before. This is from The Butchershop Sandton City. I'm guessing the C.T. one also serves it the same way
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on January 10, 2018, 08:58:36 PM
The best selection of beans I found last year was at Quaffee at Buitenverwaghting in Constantia.  There is an every-day blend for about R90 for a 250gr packet, and other varieties costing much more that you can keep for special occasions
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Dubya Jay Dee on January 10, 2018, 09:26:48 PM
Have been using Terbodore Coffee beans from Franschoek the last couple of months in my Saeco bean to cup machine and it is very special at an excellent price I think.

Their dark roast quirky named "The Great Dane" is a favourite - but the medium dark roast "This Is Africa" is also special.

http://www.terbodorecoffee.co.za/coffees/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9o3pq47O2AIVZZPtCh1AWQNEEAAYASAAEgLOy_D_BwE


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: seanjammy on January 14, 2018, 08:30:08 PM
Nice thread.

For those in Edenvale area there is a place in Stoneridge called Royal Coffee Roasters. It is owned by a real enthusiast (Kosie) and has a great variety of blends and single varieties.

I have been very into the coffee thing to varying degrees for a while. Anyone using the manual methods (Aero press, Hario v60 etc) should invest in a proper scale and timer. This let's you follow a recipe, and make a consistently awesome blend. I use an Acaia. Brilliant thing.

A good grinder is a must, although if you drink a lot buying freshly ground from a good shop will probably be more practical than the mission of a manual grinder.

Here's my rig.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: leonpjhb on January 14, 2018, 08:38:55 PM
Fabulous post.

Please post your “recipes” on here. Lovely grinder - understatement. Try roasting you own,- it is very satisfying



Nice thread.

For those in Edenvale area there is a place in Stoneridge called Royal Coffee Roasters. It is owned by a real enthusiast (Kosie) and has a great variety of blends and single varieties.

I have been very into the coffee thing to varying degrees for a while. Anyone using the manual methods (Aero press, Hario v60 etc) should invest in a proper scale and timer. This let's you follow a recipe, and make a consistently awesome blend. I use an Acaia. Brilliant thing.

A good grinder is a must, although if you drink a lot buying freshly ground from a good shop will probably be more practical than the mission of a manual grinder.

Here's my rig.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Skylark on January 14, 2018, 10:49:40 PM
Good beans and a good grinder should be first stop in anyone's coffee journey, that's a solid foundation that allows you to properly appreciate coffee and what makes a good cup from the get go.

Good coffee properly ground will make great tasting coffee in any one of the basic manual coffee makers and from there the sky is the limit.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: seanjammy on January 14, 2018, 10:53:45 PM
Fabulous post.

Please post your “recipes” on here. Lovely grinder - understatement. Try roasting you own,- it is very satisfying

Thanks Leon. I’d love to roast, I just don’t have the time, or drink enough coffee to justify. Maybe one day. Anyone who wants to visit to listen to 20 year old Wilsons, and tast coffee is welcome.

For Espresso I generally prefer a 1:1.5 ratio with African beans, 1.2 with Guatemalan, and 1:1 with dark roasts and Colombians. A double shot at 1.5 gives me a nice base for big milk drinks, about 35ml Espresso to 250ml nicely textured milk.

I am a huge V60 fan. Sweetest, cleanest brew. My recipe is pretty simple, 20g coffee to 300ml water, 40sec bloom, then about 2:50 sec pour. Water just off boiling. Most African blends really come alive, grind medium to medium fine.

This is a great Aeropress recipe (not mine) pretty simple, and a nice sweet blend. I generally use a steel Aeropress filter though, less mess.

MARTIN KARABINOS, SLOVAKIA
2nd Place: 2014 World AeroPress Championship
Coffee: 18.5g
Water: 215g @ 35°C & 92°C
Brewer: Upright
Filter: Paper

Grind coffee at "6.2" on a Malkoenig EK43 (halfway between filter and Espresso]
Heat some water to 35°C, the rest to 92°C
Add 80g of water at 35°C
Stir well, close the AeroPress and leave for three minutes
Add 135g of water at 92°C
Stir once
Press down slowly for 30 seconds
Total brew time - 3:30
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: seanjammy on January 14, 2018, 11:00:10 PM
I forgot one of my favorite recipes for hot summers day. About 100ml very cold Milk, some ice, and extract a shot onto the ice without stirring. This is called a Muddy Espresso.



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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: leonpjhb on January 15, 2018, 05:39:31 AM
Looks good. Thnx for sharing.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 24, 2018, 02:21:15 PM
What a pleasant surprise to happen onto this thread. Been into coffee for a number of years now and have some passable kit that suits me quite well.
What I have picked up on coffee websites (home-barista, coffeegeek and others) is that the proper recipe for espresso goes like this:
7 g for a single, 14 for a double (I use 16 g in a double basket); water temp 92° - 96°C (according to your taste) and a grind that allows 30 ml of coffee be extracted in 25 sec at a pressure of 9 Bar. The duration of the extraction is the same for both a single and a double shot because of the differences in the size and shape of the two baskets - or filters to be more exact. However; when one uses a bigger amount of grinds, the extraction could conceivably be to 35 sec, according to some baristas on the www.

If the espresso tastes bitter you are over extracting, if too acid to the point of being sour you are under extracting. Taste should have slight acidity.

I find this a good website to learn about coffee and their Signature blends are good.
www.elcoffee.co.za. Prices very competitive.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Contrabass on January 24, 2018, 07:00:58 PM
Nice thread.

For those in Edenvale area there is a place in Stoneridge called Royal Coffee Roasters. It is owned by a real enthusiast (Kosie) and has a great variety of blends and single varieties.

I have been very into the coffee thing to varying degrees for a while. Anyone using the manual methods (Aero press, Hario v60 etc) should invest in a proper scale and timer. This let's you follow a recipe, and make a consistently awesome blend. I use an Acaia. Brilliant thing.

A good grinder is a must, although if you drink a lot buying freshly ground from a good shop will probably be more practical than the mission of a manual grinder.


Thanks for the heads-up SeanJammy. I took your advice and popped into Royal Coffee Roasters at Stoneridge and tried some of their blends and ended up buying some expresso blends to take home. Was good chatting to Klasie who is very knowledgeable. Love the smell of that place ! :coffee:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on January 24, 2018, 07:25:21 PM
Let's throw a cat amongst the pigeons. Have you ever tried Robusta beans? What was your experience?

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 25, 2018, 08:53:37 AM
Let's throw a cat amongst the pigeons. Have you ever tried Robusta beans? What was your experience?

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I want to try that, if only just because everybody says it is bad - like burnt rubber, I have read many times.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: gavinbirss on January 25, 2018, 09:11:02 AM
Some beans are up to 30% robusta like Lazatza.

Robusta is used for instant coffee as it has harsher flavor and easier to grow.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on January 25, 2018, 09:28:52 AM
Indeed, like Gavin said. The plant has a higher yield than the normal arabica bean's plant. It does taste harsher (less aromatic and more of a groundy taste). However... I went to the lowveld and met a farmer who made a combination of arabica 90%, and a 10% robusta. This gives a far stronger caffeine mix than the usual arabica, but because most of the taste comes from arabica you get a great taste. Lavazza's 30% is way too much for me but the 10% seems like a winner. I don't know how or why but this particular coffee had almost no acidity in taste. Finding 100% robusta beans on the shelves will be impossible. People scough when I just mention the bean, but I've had a different experience with this combination.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: oNyX on January 25, 2018, 09:50:43 PM
I have one of these.  :giggle:

The Pocket Plunger (https://youtu.be/SgxqXeSd0l8)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: oNyX on January 27, 2018, 06:57:27 PM
I buy this coffee. I like it a lot, but I don't see very few people buying it or their opinion on it.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Trompie67 on January 28, 2018, 07:08:25 AM
I buy this coffee. I like it a lot, but I don't see very few people buying it or their opinion on it.

(https://images2.imgbox.com/90/36/SMkghRdO_o.jpg)

Makro in Riversands had the 800g for R149-99 on Thursday. Wife boght 2 for the office, alas the fact that she has had a home that also drinks coffee was forgotten!  :baseball:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Skylark on January 28, 2018, 03:28:58 PM
I buy this coffee. I like it a lot, but I don't see very few people buying it or their opinion on it.

(https://images2.imgbox.com/90/36/SMkghRdO_o.jpg)
Best of the worst probably..
No instant can rival a half decent freshly ground bean brew.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: oNyX on January 28, 2018, 03:34:41 PM
Best of the worst probably..
No instant can rival a half decent freshly ground bean brew.

I read on the can (glass) that it'se freeze dried. It's much better than Jacobs and contains no chicory.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on January 28, 2018, 04:00:39 PM
haha typical of coffee snobs to look down on instant coffee :) . I actually like the instant coffee but for the price you can get a much better coffee. It's not bad...I like it. But like I said, for R60 you can get a nice full body coffee.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on January 28, 2018, 04:38:10 PM
The East London Coffee Company prices are really good (thanks LouisF).  The same coffee at Quaffee at Buitenverwagting is 30% more expensive.  I showed the owner this website and the prices.  He pretended to be unimpressed, but when I went to pay for what I had chosen, presented me with a bag of Jaime Casallas which sells there for R115,00 for a 250gm pack

This is Quaffee's current prices.  They usually have more on the shelves - http://quaffee.co.za/QuaffeeCoffees.aspx
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 29, 2018, 09:58:20 AM
The East London Coffee Company prices are really good (thanks LouisF).  The same coffee at Quaffee at Buitenverwagting is 30% more expensive.  I showed the owner this website and the prices.  He pretended to be unimpressed, but when I went to pay for what I had chosen, presented me with a bag of Jaime Casallas which sells there for R115,00 for a 250gm pack

This is Quaffee's current prices.  They usually have more on the shelves - http://quaffee.co.za/QuaffeeCoffees.aspx
Allan Hawkins of EL Coffee once sent me some of their Tanzanian single origin coffee and it was really excellent. One could actually taste the sugar in it. Highly recommended for espresso, drip and plunger alike; probably good for stove top (mocha pot) as well, but I do not have one of those to try it out.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 29, 2018, 10:03:43 AM
haha typical of coffee snobs to look down on instant coffee :) . I actually like the instant coffee but for the price you can get a much better coffee. It's not bad...I like it. But like I said, for R60 you can get a nice full body coffee.

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My take on coffee, as on wine and whiskey, is that if it tastes good, to you that is good coffee/wine/whiskey. I am no fan of instant myself and never make in my own home anymore, but when I visit friends, I do not turn up my nose for it - bad manners in any case - and hereabouts people drink mostly tea, especially Rooibos. The latter I only drink in a red latte or when I do not feel so well and I have no other choice and the former not at all. But this thread is not about Rooibos.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Jazzy on March 23, 2018, 05:04:36 AM
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/we-asked-south-africas-barista-of-the-year-winston-thomas-to-brew-the-perfect-cup-of-coffee-2018-3
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on June 14, 2018, 09:41:48 AM
Anyone using the aeropress? Consider selling? What are your thoughts? Also, at what price point would I get a quality coffee machine (not drip machine or just espresso)? I currently use a french press, but considering to buy expensive beans so want to do it justice. Chemex and pour over not an option.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JamesB on June 14, 2018, 12:08:57 PM
I use my aeropress as a portable coffee maker when on holiday. It's decent enough for my liking and sure beats drinking instant coffee, but I can't really say it'd replace my coffee machine anytime soon.  The process of making a cup of coffee as well as the cleanup is also not something I want to do on a regular basis.

As to what machine and price point I'd recommend, it would really depend on your coffee preference.  If you prefer espresso or espresso based drinks (cappuccino, latte etc), then go for an espresso maker, but if you prefer brewed coffee (and no, an americano does not replace the taste of a nice cup of brewed coffee) then a normal coffee brewer, or if you want something fancy, a bit of theater and a nice cup of coffee to boot then a siphon.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on June 14, 2018, 12:21:27 PM
I'm the type of person that drinks a cup every other day. I don't mind taking a lot of time to make a cup of coffee. In my opinion, the cheaper coffee machines burn the coffee. From what I read up on, professional baristas use the aeropress and is a solid performer in it's own right. The syphon is just a lot of work. I pretty much only like normal coffee nothing fancy like a latte. Normal coffee. I feel it's a toss up with the french press. With some coffee it works well and a fine grind is great and you get all the flavour. With others, you need to put in more coffee with a coarse grind to not get that acidic taste. I also only drink medium to dark and dark roasts.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: vleisman on June 14, 2018, 12:23:24 PM
I use my aeropress as a portable coffee maker when on holiday. It's decent enough for my liking and sure beats drinking instant coffee, but I can't really say it'd replace my coffee machine anytime soon.  The process of making a cup of coffee as well as the cleanup is also not something I want to do on a regular basis.

As to what machine and price point I'd recommend, it would really depend on your coffee preference.  If you prefer espresso or espresso based drinks (cappuccino, latte etc), then go for an espresso maker, but if you prefer brewed coffee (and no, an americano does not replace the taste of a nice cup of brewed coffee) then a normal coffee brewer, or if you want something fancy, a bit of theater and a nice cup of coffee to boot then a siphon.

Had to youtube the siphon thing. Now I want one. Dammit.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JamesB on June 14, 2018, 12:48:19 PM
I'm the type of person that drinks a cup every other day. I don't mind taking a lot of time to make a cup of coffee. In my opinion, the cheaper coffee machines burn the coffee. From what I read up on, professional baristas use the aeropress and is a solid performer in it's own right. The syphon is just a lot of work. I pretty much only like normal coffee nothing fancy like a latte. Normal coffee. I feel it's a toss up with the french press. With some coffee it works well and a fine grind is great and you get all the flavour. With others, you need to put in more coffee with a coarse grind to not get that acidic taste. I also only drink medium to dark and dark roasts.

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If you were to get a coffee machine, make sure that it comes with temperature control.  But the coffee burnt taste can also come from the grinder if it is a blade grinder.  Preferably, use a ceramic burr grinder so that the beans are evenly ground and does not get burnt.

If you do just normal coffee, then you can eliminate the espresso machines.  I'd say stick with your french press then, the aeropress is good but at over R600 now won't really make you go wow.  However the filter does smooth out the taste and removes the acidic flavor a bit.  1 thing I can suggest though, is that water temperature really plays a big part on how your coffee tastes, in the absence of being able to measure the water temperature before pouring, don't pour immediately after boiling the water but wait around 20 to 30 seconds to let the temperature drop a bit.

As far as coffee beans are concerned, I find that nothing beats Illy's dark roast beans (the one with the black cap), that is if you like your coffee a bit bitter and with a kick.  For a more smooth and creamy coffee, I then go for Lavazza's Pienaroma.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JamesB on June 14, 2018, 12:51:43 PM
Had to youtube the siphon thing. Now I want one. Dammit.

Been eyeing one as well for sometime now, just really needs a lot of effort to make a cup or two. I love the theater of it but in terms of flavor I would go for Chemex.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on June 14, 2018, 01:02:40 PM
If you were to get a coffee machine, make sure that it comes with temperature control.  But the coffee burnt taste can also come from the grinder if it is a blade grinder.  Preferably, use a ceramic burr grinder so that the beans are evenly ground and does not get burnt.

If you do just normal coffee, then you can eliminate the espresso machines.  I'd say stick with your french press then, the aeropress is good but at over R600 now won't really make you go wow.  However the filter does smooth out the taste and removes the acidic flavor a bit.  1 thing I can suggest though, is that water temperature really plays a big part on how your coffee tastes, in the absence of being able to measure the water temperature before pouring, don't pour immediately after boiling the water but wait around 20 to 30 seconds to let the temperature drop a bit.

As far as coffee beans are concerned, I find that nothing beats Illy's dark roast beans (the one with the black cap), that is if you like your coffee a bit bitter and with a kick.  For a more smooth and creamy coffee, I then go for Lavazza's Pienaroma.
Well that sounds extremely sad Now I can't really do much further. Well I was planning on buying one just to play around or maybe borrowing one. From what I read it sounded better than the french press.I do the water trick. I've actually boiled it to pin point accuracy and the kettle still tasted better. I've used fresh beans from roasteries and can honestly say the only coffee that beats it is the VIP gold packet from house of coffees. Sad I know.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Ju_dy@RT on June 14, 2018, 01:09:49 PM
....  Some tell me the food there is better than the coffee.
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Really?  I bought it once.  Reminded me of Petrol station/Airport take-out... or Woolies warm-ups at most. (the latter IMHO, being better)

And yes... coffee was bleh.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JamesB on June 14, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
Well that sounds extremely sad Now I can't really do much further. Well I was planning on buying one just to play around or maybe borrowing one. From what I read it sounded better than the french press.I do the water trick. I've actually boiled it to pin point accuracy and the kettle still tasted better. I've used fresh beans from roasteries and can honestly say the only coffee that beats it is the VIP gold packet from house of coffees. Sad I know.

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The aeropress does taste better than the french press as that slight pressure does extract a bit more flavor from the coffee and the filter refines the taste as it not only filters out the grounds but some of the oils as well, which a french press' filter cannot do as it usually is only a wire mesh.  Maybe you can try using a french press paper filter
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: bushtech37 on June 14, 2018, 02:47:11 PM
Very happy with my Bialetti's & easy to clean
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on June 14, 2018, 03:05:29 PM
Very happy with my Bialetti's & easy to clean
The coffee almost always gets burnt and almost no flavour. Can get very strong though, but no crema. Bialetti's are very well made.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on June 14, 2018, 04:15:30 PM
Got some dreadful coffee from Quaffee at Buitenverwaghting last week.  Friend was enthusiastic about a Honduran blend he bought, so we went to get another.  This was not in stock and the sales lady recommended some Antigua Organic. R 130 for a 250g bag.

We both thought it was dreadful, so this morning, despite the thunderous rain (yes, it rains in Cape Town) I took it back.  The same sales lady was indifferent, so spotted the owner, a German fellow.  He took one look and said this should not have been on sale, it appears that it had been in storage for a long period and was becoming bitter

It transpires that this coffee, when in bean form, is passed through the gut of a goat and retrieved from its droppings.  An interesting concept I am sure

Anyway, we each received a 1kg packet of house-blend, which I am pleased to say is excellent
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on June 14, 2018, 04:18:02 PM
Got some dreadful coffee from Quaffee at Buitenverwaghting last week.  Friend was enthusiastic about a Honduran blend he bought, so we went to get another.  This was not in stock and the sales lady recommended some Antigua Organic. R 130 for a 250g bag.

We both thought it was dreadful, so this morning, despite the thunderous rain (yes, it rains in Cape Town) I took it back.  The same sales lady was indifferent, so spotted the owner, a German fellow.  He took one look and said this should not have been on sale, it appears that it had been in storage for a long period and was becoming bitter

It transpires that this coffee, when in bean form, is passed through the gut of a goat and retrieved from its droppings.  An interesting concept I am sure

Anyway, we each received a 1kg packet of house-blend, which I am pleased to say is excellent
The cheapy antigua dark roast is also great, actually.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on June 14, 2018, 04:21:33 PM
Maybe the goat had diarrhoea when processing the beans
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JamesB on June 14, 2018, 04:30:29 PM
It transpires that this coffee, when in bean form, is passed through the gut of a goat and retrieved from its droppings.  An interesting concept I am sure

tasted civet coffee, recently heard of elephant coffee (which took them years of experimentation to get right), but 1st time I've hear of goat coffee... what :cr@p: idea would they think of next?   :whistler:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on June 14, 2018, 08:24:36 PM
Chris, The Peacock Coffee roasters is around the corner, go pop in by them. They got some really nice coffee and ask them to show you how they roast there beans. Prices is really good and they got coffee beans from Hawaii.

https://www.peacockteaandcoffee.co.za/contact-us/

Units 1 – 5 Wetron Industrial Park
Crete Road, Wetton
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Ju_dy@RT on June 14, 2018, 10:12:23 PM
Heads up... Woolworth’s beans are on special this week. Around R145 a bag (so around R45 saving)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on June 14, 2018, 10:14:42 PM
Like the plain dark roast from woolies. Don't like their flavoured coffee. On a sidenote. How does starbucks' beans compare to store bought beans? From what I hear, they are fantastic. Any thoughts?

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on June 15, 2018, 07:44:39 AM
Not a bad price for R145. Checkers had a special on there import brand to and i can vote that it's not bad.

I had a bag of Starbucks about 7/8 years ago and the taste wasn't so good, but i'm waiting for a friend that is Seattle side now and was in Hawaii last week. She's bring some coffee over for me from Starbucks and Kona. 
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on June 15, 2018, 07:52:43 AM
We got a place down in Cape town with name of Gourmet Coffee Roasters.
http://gourmetcoffeeroasters.co.za/roasted-beans/

They got a roast they call Vienna Gold, all that i can say is Bliksem, When you make, it leaves a gold shine foam in the cup and the press it's got this gold shine. The taste is really smooth last really long in your mouth.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JP870609 on June 15, 2018, 11:48:27 AM
Heads up... Woolworth’s beans are on special this week. Around R145 a bag (so around R45 saving)

Thanks will be heading there this weekend - I found their brand/make to be in my top three list of favorites.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JamesB on June 15, 2018, 12:14:16 PM
Starbucks beans I think is a bit overpriced, for about R130+ for a 250g bag, I'd just stick to Italian roasts.  As far as whether they are good, it actually depends on the variant you buy.  Best thing to do is to have a cup of the variant in their Reserve section to get a taste before buying a bag.  I can't remember how much a cup of coffee at the Reserve section costs, but it's not that bad as the portion is good for 2 people and you can have it split into 2 cups.

If you absolutely have to have coffee at Starbucks, then Reserve is the way to go.  At the start of the year, they offered in their Reserve section, Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee (though priced differently from the normal origin coffee they offer) and wife and I had some via Siphon, and that was very nice.  Came back a week after to try it via Chemex, but the stock was finished.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on June 20, 2018, 12:08:14 AM
Can anyone provide some info on the cheapy espresso machines from delonghi (not coffee pod machine). Looking for an espresso machine/bean to cup coffee maker. Or otherwise, anyone wanting to sell their coffee machine?

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Ju_dy@RT on June 20, 2018, 10:40:32 AM
^^ I've got one of the magnifica's... been working for about 2 years now without skipping a beat. Makes an average of 6 cups  a day. The frother was an ABSOLUTE waste though, as I ONLY make straight forward coffee/espressos.  Word of advice-  if at all possible, buy it from Makro.  They will generally price match/beat any advertised price if you speak to them nicely. Reason: They, unlike all the other retailers, offer the full 2 year factory warranty. Everybody else seems to dock it to 1 year  :thinking:  Doubt you'd need it (I didn't), but it's a nice to have.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Skylark on June 23, 2018, 05:45:45 PM
Can anyone provide some info on the cheapy espresso machines from delonghi (not coffee pod machine). Looking for an espresso machine/bean to cup coffee maker. Or otherwise, anyone wanting to sell their coffee machine?

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Get an aeropress, despite what has been said they are a huge step up from a French press, mine was getting worn out after 3 or 4 yrs daily use so I hauled out my French press, which hadn't been used once since the day I first got the aeropress, to see if I could ditch the aeropress and go back to that. Not a chance, the coffee from a French press is bland and insipid in comparison.

The aeropress is the best value for money coffee maker on the market and gives excellent results, worth having one even just to use when going on holiday.

Edit: And get a metal filter I have had an Able Fine filter since I got my aeropress and they are a winner.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on November 07, 2018, 11:57:14 AM
Does anybody here own an Expobar Office Leva (AKA Brewtus in other markets) espresso machine?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Riddlers on November 20, 2018, 09:36:27 AM
Big Nespresso fanboy but wanna try those refillable caps
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on November 30, 2018, 04:03:57 PM
Friend started using the refillable caps (pods he calls them)

1 - The coffee must be extremely finely ground
2 - It must be compacted well, or the coffee tastes a bit thin
3 - If the machine has a filter, keep it clean (he uses a half-teaspoon of dishwasher powder in his Nero Expert machine, which was quite expensive)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on December 02, 2018, 04:09:09 PM
So I replaced the old filter coffee machine after I have nicked the glass holder by accident.  New toy between all my coffee maker toys.

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47281225_10156887117962265_9093579585458536448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=834b3eece47c1fb2daa6beacc4e1f21d&oe=5CAC3284)

Siemens design by Porsche. Silent when making coffee, switch off by it self and the coffee stays +- 10 hours warm in the flask. Got some nice settings to. 
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: seanjammy on December 02, 2018, 06:28:28 PM
Does anybody here own an Expobar Office Leva (AKA Brewtus in other markets) espresso machine?
I had one. The version with the PID, rotary pump, double boiler, plumbed in (there are different versions). Great value for money, but not sure if it was quite as good as the spec suggested. In hindsight the grinder I was using at the time (Mazzer Mini) was probably to blame.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: seanjammy on December 02, 2018, 06:33:52 PM
If you were to get a coffee machine, make sure that it comes with temperature control.  But the coffee burnt taste can also come from the grinder if it is a blade grinder.  Preferably, use a ceramic burr grinder so that the beans are evenly ground and does not get burnt.

If you do just normal coffee, then you can eliminate the espresso machines.  I'd say stick with your french press then, the aeropress is good but at over R600 now won't really make you go wow.  However the filter does smooth out the taste and removes the acidic flavor a bit.  1 thing I can suggest though, is that water temperature really plays a big part on how your coffee tastes, in the absence of being able to measure the water temperature before pouring, don't pour immediately after boiling the water but wait around 20 to 30 seconds to let the temperature drop a bit.

As far as coffee beans are concerned, I find that nothing beats Illy's dark roast beans (the one with the black cap), that is if you like your coffee a bit bitter and with a kick.  For a more smooth and creamy coffee, I then go for Lavazza's Pienaroma.
So many wrong statements here. Damn. Would have been a good debate.

Most great espresso machines are preset to a temperature. Although one may want to vary it (especially if coming from coast), it is generally set at the factory.

Aeropress. You can get a steel filter. It can also make a killer cuppa.

The best grinders in the world use steel, not ceramic burrs.



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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on December 03, 2018, 07:31:23 AM
So many wrong statements here. Damn. Would have been a good debate.

Most great espresso machines are preset to a temperature. Although one may want to vary it (especially if coming from coast), it is generally set at the factory.

Aeropress. You can get a steel filter. It can also make a killer cuppa.

The best grinders in the world use steel, not ceramic burrs.



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The coffee always gets through the filter of a french prench. It's disgusting, I'd pay R600 to get rid of it.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 10, 2019, 02:42:01 PM
Got my Jura E8 last week.
Love the thing.
Only complaint I have is that the coffee is not hot enough.
Thumbs up to heavenly coffees for excellent service on this purchase.
Heat your cup by swilling it with boiling water just before you pull the shot.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 10, 2019, 03:09:22 PM
How does one get the best crema?
All the factors mentioned so far play a role but the coffee beans also play their part. Dry processed coffees tend to produce better crema than the whet processed ones. Origin of the coffee also has an effect, Brazilian coffees are known to produce good crema, but there are others as well, of course, and I would not pretend to know all of those.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on January 10, 2019, 03:30:27 PM
Got given to try out a DeLonghi bean to cup machine, the one with 2 spouts.  Rather disappointed.  It has what is called in the book "Silent grinder".  If you choose that on setting 0, nothing much happens.  Setting 10 to 13 is noisy, but again does not produce sufficient coffee.  The bean container is very small, two or three tablespoons fill it

It has knob labelled "aroma" which slows or hastens the rate at which coffee comes out the two spouts.  Whether you select 1 cup or two cups, it still uses both spouts

I always warm the cups up by half-filling with water and microwave it for 40 seconds

It was an "Open box" return from Loot and I am beginning to see why.  I could smell that there had been coffee beans in the hopper.

(https://i.imgur.com/dWBmtf7.png)

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 10, 2019, 03:34:24 PM
So many wrong statements here. Damn. Would have been a good debate.

Most great espresso machines are preset to a temperatureNot so. Would you mind defining "great"? Go check the specs of La Marzocco, Slayer, Kees van den Westen, CREM Expobar (OK, the latter not quite in the same league as those mentioned) - you could maybe educate yourself a bit by looking at the specs of machines on www.onlinecoffeeshop.co.za.. Although one may want to vary it (especially if coming from coast), it is generally [ You may find that to be the case with the cheaper bean-to-cuppers]set at the factory.

Aeropress. You can get a steel filter. It can also make a killer cuppa.

The best grinders in the world use steel, not ceramic burrs. There are quite a few people who will differ from you on this point. I suggest a visit to some of the coffee forums - home barista, coffee geek, coffeesnobs (in Oz), to name a few.



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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 10, 2019, 03:49:43 PM
I had one. The version with the PID, rotary pump, double boiler, plumbed in (there are different versions). Great value for money, but not sure if it was quite as good as the spec suggested. In hindsight the grinder I was using at the time (Mazzer Mini) was probably to blame.

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The grinder is actually of greater importance than the espresso machine, according to everybody whose opinion I have ever come across. I have on of those Expobar machines and recently replaced my Wega Max 5.8 instant with a much, much better grinder - Baratza Sette 270 Wi, to give its full name - and the difference in the cup is remarkable. It actually weighs the coffee as it grinds directly into the portafilter, is faster than many machines costing a lot more and the texture of the grounds is incredible.

Something I have not so far seen mentioned in discussions about the coffee taste, is that one's equipment, be it grinder, espresso machine's brew head and portafilter, filter of a French press, AeroPress cylinder and filter holder or the "funnel' of a filter machine - everything - should be clean with none of that dark, oily coffee residue. Only when this cleanliness criterion is met can you start to judge the taste of your brew.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on January 10, 2019, 03:50:34 PM
I suppose he means "good" ones, as opposed to pretend espresso machines

I agree about the steel burrs.  Although I have a Severin grinder and when it stopped working, took it to the agents who replaced both cutting items.  Now it performs much much better than it ever did, so it must have been faulty out the box.   And despite being nearly 3 years old, the repair was free
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 10, 2019, 04:42:48 PM
All the factors mentioned so far play a role but the coffee beans also play their part. Dry processed coffees tend to produce better crema than the whet wet  :giggle:processed ones. Origin of the coffee also has an effect, Brazilian coffees are known to produce good crema, but there are others as well, of course, and I would not pretend to know all of those.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 10, 2019, 06:28:59 PM
I suppose he means "good" ones, as opposed to pretend espresso machines

I agree about the steel burrs.  Although I have a Severin grinder and when it stopped working, took it to the agents who replaced both cutting items.  Now it performs much much better than it ever did, so it must have been faulty out the box.   And despite being nearly 3 years old, the repair was free
The link below takes one to a page where the differences are discussed and it is not a clear-cut win for either, in my humble opinion.
https://knowyourgrinder.com/ceramic-vs-steel-burr-grinders/
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 10, 2019, 06:31:28 PM
Got given to try out a DeLonghi bean to cup machine, the one with 2 spouts.  Rather disappointed.  It has what is called in the book "Silent grinder".  If you choose that on setting 0, nothing much happens.  Setting 10 to 13 is noisy, but again does not produce sufficient coffee.  The bean container is very small, two or three tablespoons fill it

It has knob labelled "aroma" which slows or hastens the rate at which coffee comes out the two spouts.  Whether you select 1 cup or two cups, it still uses both spouts

I always warm the cups up by half-filling with water and microwave it for 40 seconds

It was an "Open box" return from Loot and I am beginning to see why.  I could smell that there had been coffee beans in the hopper.

(https://i.imgur.com/dWBmtf7.png)

Most super automatics, if not all, feature twin spouts and coffee always pours from both, regardless of the amount of coffee grounds used for the shot. Or the size of the shot, for that matter.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 10, 2019, 07:08:57 PM
@LouisF Looks like you know your way around coffee machines and coffee's. I like that.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 10, 2019, 08:27:02 PM
I should not say it on an AV forum, but I am more passionate about coffee than AV gear. Have been reading and watching videos quite a lot these past two years and a bit. And went through more than 40 kg of coffee beans, but the most important thing I have learned to date is that I have a lot to learn still.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: leonpjhb on January 10, 2019, 09:05:42 PM
For those interested, I have started last year hosting Complete Coffee Crashcourses at my Restaurant in Melville.
There is a bot of theory in the beginning explaining coffee growing, types, processing, etc. we then go on to the hands-on workshop that includes roasting, grinding, extraction amd drink making.
I don’t want to unnecessarily plug that here, but thought it might be worthwhile.
If interested, I will drop the dates here. It’s fund, not too serious, informative amd filled with good caffeine!


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 10, 2019, 09:31:47 PM
I suppose he means "good" ones, as opposed to pretend espresso machines

I agree about the steel burrs.  Although I have a Severin grinder and when it stopped working, took it to the agents who replaced both cutting items.  Now it performs much much better than it ever did, so it must have been faulty out the box.   And despite being nearly 3 years old, the repair was free
Sorry Chris, I do not want to belabour the point but check out this commercial grinder with ceramic burrs.
http://onlinecoffeeshop.co.za/shop/coffee-grinders/la-marzocco-swift-self-tamping-commercial-coffee-grinder/
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on January 10, 2019, 09:45:50 PM
Ye gods, R54k for a coffee grinder.  Its bound to be better than my R1200 machine, and streets ahead of the R300 machine you can get at Clicks
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 10, 2019, 09:51:58 PM
I should not say it on an AV forum, but I am more passionate about coffee than AV gear. Have been reading and watching videos quite a lot these past two years and a bit. And went through more than 40 kg of coffee beans, but the most important thing I have learned to date is that I have a lot to learn still.

Same story this side. What I do is, if I see someone that going overseas, I ask them to bring some coffee beans back with them. It's a nice way to experience other places coffee. Busy with some coffee from Kona / Hawaii.

I'm actually busy looking for  Expobar machines and a bigger and advance grinder. Gourmet coffee roaster got some nice stuff and high end stuff and sometimes they have a machine and grinder combo that can you can get for a good price. Next to them is the guys that sells parts and stuff.  Gourmet got a coffee bean they call Vienna Gold. It's good, really good!!!
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JamesB on January 11, 2019, 01:07:35 PM
Recently bought a Hario V60 coffee dripper, plus all the necessary tools, and have started doing pour overs at home.  Decided to use this method (it was either this, Chemex or siphon) to brew a bag of Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee previously bought sealed tight in a vacuum canister.

Well I have newfound respect for baristas doing this for a living and doing it well.  There are no shortcuts as time plays a critical role and attention to detail is a must as small mistakes reflect on the brew.  It's not as easy as it looks, you hit the paper filter directly with water while pouring for even just a quick bit and you get a bit of papery taste, and it's not easy to pour in a circular fashion making sure you are evenly soaking the coffee grounds and avoiding the filter whilst monitoring the digital scale for the correct amount of water and the stopwatch for the correct amount of brewing time.  It required me about 1kg of coffee beans to practice with before I had enough confidence to brew my 1st cup of the JBM coffee.

Surprisingly enough, I have also found the process to be quite relaxing and therapeutic.  I am really enjoying manually grinding the beans as you are constantly hit with the aroma of freshly ground coffee for the entire duration of grinding which can take about 30 seconds to a minute as opposed to an automatic grinder where it's a quick burst of aroma.  Also that 1st pour that produces the coffee bloom produces an aroma like no other and is almost as good as drinking the coffee itself.  The espresso machine is still doing duty, specially for lazy cups of coffee and for the espresso fix, but for specialty coffee I think I will be doing pour overs more often.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on January 11, 2019, 02:23:44 PM
Your post inspired me to dig out a Melitta coffee dripper which has been in a cupboard for 20 odd years
The filter papers are easy to acquire

Can you please elucidate some more on:

How hot is the water your pour on?
What do you actually measure on the scale?
(Do you put the whole cup and dripper, with coffee on the scale, then zero it?)
At what point do you start the stopwatch, and how long do you allow?
(Does not the liquid coffee start coming out the bottom of the dripper very soon after you start pouring?)
When you say you manually grind the beans, is that using one of those devices with a handle which you turn for a few minutes, or is it a burr grinder with a motor?
(The grinder I am using allows for quantity in cups and the fineness of grinding - one cup quantity only takes 15 seconds at most)

Thank you
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JamesB on January 11, 2019, 04:01:55 PM
Glad I inspired you today Chris, always a fan of your stories and anecdotes :thumbs: Just note that I am not an expert on this in any way and in fact just started recently with only Google and Youtube as my guide.

Your post inspired me to dig out a Melitta coffee dripper which has been in a cupboard for 20 odd years
The filter papers are easy to acquire

Can you please elucidate some more on:

How hot is the water your pour on?  it depends on the roast of the coffee.  I generally abide by the rule of thumb wherein the darker the roast, the lower the temperature.  So for dark roasts I usually do 80 to 85 degrees Celsius and for light roasts around 85 to 88 degrees Celsius.  Some say 90 to 95 deg C, but I find that when I hit 90 deg C I start getting a burnt taste.  But its really a case to case basis so I do make adjustments on subsequent brews of the same coffee, so a bit of trial and error is in order.
What do you actually measure on the scale?
(Do you put the whole cup and dripper, with coffee on the scale, then zero it?) Just the water.  Yes I do put the whole cup, dripper and ground coffee (pre-measured) on the scale and zero it.
At what point do you start the stopwatch, and how long do you allow?  I start the stopwatch just before I start the pour.  Researching via Google, it seems there are so many ways to do this, but I've found that Tetsu Kasuya's technique does it for me, which is to do 5 pours in 45 second intervals for a total of 3m 45s.  The normal way I think is to do a bloom for about 30 seconds and then do a continuous pour for 3 minutes or something like that.
(Does not the liquid coffee start coming out the bottom of the dripper very soon after you start pouring?)  Well it depends on how coarse the grind is and how much water you are pouring, but yes liquid will start coming out.
When you say you manually grind the beans, is that using one of those devices with a handle which you turn for a few minutes, or is it a burr grinder with a motor?
(The grinder I am using allows for quantity in cups and the fineness of grinding - one cup quantity only takes 15 seconds at most)   A manual grinder where you turn with a handle ;D it's still a burr grinder though.  Didn't want to fork up for a proper motorized grinder for what I initially thought was going to be a seldom done exercise after consuming the 1 bag of JBM coffee beans, but am actually enjoying it so won't bother upgrading.

Thank you

For more details, here's what I do (according to Tetsu Kasuya's technique) using 20 grams of coffee and 300 milliliters or grams of water:
- boil water
- put filter on coffee dripper and pre-wet with boiling water (make sure that the entire filter is completely wet)
- throw out the water that passed through the filter (you can swivel it around so that it pre-heats the container)
- measure 20 grams of coffee beans and grind (coarsest setting)
- put ground coffee on filter, shaking it a bit to level it
- zero out the scale (with the container, coffee dripper, filter and coffee grounds on it)
- check the water's temperature and wait until it hits the desired temperature
- start the timer
- pour 60 grams water onto the grounds in a circular fashion making sure to soak all the grounds without hitting the filter (this is 1st pour to make the coffee bloom, the more bloom you get, the fresher the coffee)
- on the 45 second mark, pour another 60 grams of water (2nd pour) in the same circular fashion
- on the 1 minute 30 second mark, pour another 60 grams of water (3rd pour)
- on the 2 minute 15 second mark, pour another 60 grams of water (4th pour)
- on the 3 minute mark, pour another 60 grams of water (5th pour)
- on the 3 minute 45 second mark, remove the coffee dripper from the container to stop the extraction (even if there's still liquid in the filter)

If you want to increase the quantity of coffee, the formula the Katsuya uses is weight of coffee beans x 3 x 5, I think (so for 30 grams of coffee, it would be 450 grams of water et al).

Also, according to his technique, the 1st 2 pours is to determine the sweetness or acidity of the brew (to make it sweeter decrease the water on the 1st pour but add it onto the 2nd pour, so if the 1st pour was 50 grams then the 2nd pour would be 70 grams, the other way around to make it more acidic - 70 grams 1st pour, 50 grams 2nd pour etc), whereas the succeeding pours are for strength.

Enjoy your :coffee:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JamesB on January 11, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
- on the 3 minute 45 second mark, remove the coffee dripper from the container to stop the extraction (even if there's still liquid in the filter) 30 second mark, dripping should approximately be finished.  If liquid is still present, adjust grind the next time.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 12, 2019, 01:17:40 PM
Same story this side. What I do is, if I see someone that going overseas, I ask them to bring some coffee beans back with them. It's a nice way to experience other places coffee. Busy with some coffee from Kona / Hawaii.

I'm actually busy looking for  Expobar machines and a bigger and advance grinder. Gourmet coffee roaster got some nice stuff and high end stuff and sometimes they have a machine and grinder combo that can you can get for a good price. Next to them is the guys that sells parts and stuff.  Gourmet got a coffee bean they call Vienna Gold. It's good, really good!!!
You may find what you are looking for on of these sites. Your grinder must be an espresso grinder and is in fact the most important machine for the ground for a given bean on a given day determines the taste of the espresso. Do not skimp on that.
https://capecoffeebeans.co.za/collections/espresso-machines
https://capecoffeebeans.co.za/collections/espresso-grinders
https://onlinecoffeeshop.co.za/
And where I bought my espresso machine and first grinder:
https://www.koldserve.co.za/
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 12, 2019, 01:19:17 PM
For those interested, I have started last year hosting Complete Coffee Crashcourses at my Restaurant in Melville.
There is a bot of theory in the beginning explaining coffee growing, types, processing, etc. we then go on to the hands-on workshop that includes roasting, grinding, extraction amd drink making.
I don’t want to unnecessarily plug that here, but thought it might be worthwhile.
If interested, I will drop the dates here. It’s fund, not too serious, informative amd filled with good caffeine!


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Why must you be in Gauteng man?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 13, 2019, 07:49:00 AM
You may find what you are looking for on of these sites. Your grinder must be an espresso grinder and is in fact the most important machine for the ground for a given bean on a given day determines the taste of the espresso. Do not skimp on that.
https://capecoffeebeans.co.za/collections/espresso-machines
https://capecoffeebeans.co.za/collections/espresso-grinders
https://onlinecoffeeshop.co.za/
And where I bought my espresso machine and first grinder:
https://www.koldserve.co.za/

Thanks Louis. I'm using a Krups Burr grinder that i'm using. Got 17 degrees of coarseness to choose from, but still not so advance as the bigger boys like the one you have. I will get there. I see some 2nd hand ones on regular basis popping up and some machines. Will just give them a good service.  Thanks for the links. They got some really good prices on there stuff. 
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 13, 2019, 07:58:36 AM
I have one of those Krups grinders myself. Nice little machine. Their only weak spot seems to be the on/off switch. I have heard from a guy that repairs these that that is the only thing that he ever has to repair. He recommends only using it for starting the grind, then let it run until it stops by itself. This "over run" one can regulate by using the adjuster for the amount, below the switch. But they cannot grind fine enough for an espresso machine.

Good luck with your search.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: shadow.clone on January 14, 2019, 06:36:43 PM
My Jura F7 is still running strong after thousands of cups. I've developed an itch for a manual machine though, specifically one with a rotary pump and PID.

I've switched to Red Truck Coffee. Amazing roasts that are typically less than a week old from purchase dates. I often find that the coffee needs a day or two to fully develop its flavour.

Nicaraguan is currently my favourite (when available!). If you haven't already tried it, definitely give it a bash from a decent roaster.

 
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Mervin on January 14, 2019, 07:32:48 PM
For those interested, I have started last year hosting Complete Coffee Crashcourses at my Restaurant in Melville.
There is a bot of theory in the beginning explaining coffee growing, types, processing, etc. we then go on to the hands-on workshop that includes roasting, grinding, extraction amd drink making.
I don’t want to unnecessarily plug that here, but thought it might be worthwhile.
If interested, I will drop the dates here. It’s fund, not too serious, informative amd filled with good caffeine!


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Please share dates
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: leonpjhb on January 14, 2019, 09:20:08 PM
Sure!

2/2/19 @ 11:00

And again on 2/3/19 same time

For bookings msg me on 083 four69 30three2



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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: MJINC on January 14, 2019, 09:33:15 PM
My Jura F7 is still running strong after thousands of cups. I've developed an itch for a manual machine though, specifically one with a rotary pump and PID.

I've switched to Red Truck Coffee. Amazing roasts that are typically less than a week old from purchase dates. I often find that the coffee needs a day or two to fully develop its flavour.

Nicaraguan is currently my favourite (when available!). If you haven't already tried it, definitely give it a bash from a decent roaster.

 
I had a Jura F50 for years and it was a brilliant machine. Got to about 6000 cups and gave it to my parents as a replacement for their nespresso. Replaced it with an S8 and love it. So convenient and makes an excellent, consistent americano. I can understand the guys who love a good grinder and machine but I need the ease of just pressing a button especially when I have a few people over and they all want a coffee

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Air on January 15, 2019, 12:55:51 PM
I am late to this discussion but 2 of my vices that I am willing to discuss publicly are wine and coffee

After using a Delongi Espresso machine bought in Europe for almost 15 years and then being disappointed with modern versions of “home” machines and not having space for an Industrial machine at the moment I Am quite happy with my old school moka pot, of which I have a few versions.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/3fbb2bf9dfdc45f698977ac26d1346ff.jpg)

I think besides the fresh grinding the quality of the water is crucial to a good coffee. So i only use filtered water.

Perfect-cup in Parkview is a nice understated coffee supplier as well.


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 15, 2019, 01:15:04 PM
Pop in today at one of my favorite roasters and supplier for some filters and coffee beans. http://gourmetcoffeeroasters.co.za/ This is just there show room, you must see all the stuff they stock in there warehouse and the stuff they have in there training room.

(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50813543_10156999499387265_5654505624084414464_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=2ef6364292866be4e94a51dcd949e2be&oe=5CB9DC7E)

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on January 15, 2019, 03:21:08 PM
Quite a bit of that kit is over R100 000, but mainly the equipment for Baristas.   Its a magnificent shop though

I have had a Artiete Noveccento Espresso machine for 12+ years.  Its starting to pack up now and the factory in Italy referred me to their SA agents in Jhb.   The only thing they had in stock was a rubber ring which goes between the filter and the coffee container.   I need a filter holder and rubber seal, I could make the seal I suppose.   It does work well, if you ignore the odd leak.   I clean the stainless steel filter once a month with half a teaspoon of dishwasher powder, rinsing it often

(https://i.imgur.com/R5Okpmp.jpg)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 15, 2019, 05:13:22 PM
My word, Gerlach, the content of that showroom is the stuff dreams are made of!  :drool:
I see they also offer my lowly Expobar, though.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 15, 2019, 05:26:12 PM
Quite a bit of that kit is over R100 000, but mainly the equipment for Baristas.   Its a magnificent shop though

I have had a Artiete Noveccento Espresso machine for 12+ years.  Its starting to pack up now and the factory in Italy referred me to their SA agents in Jhb.   The only thing they had in stock was a rubber ring which goes between the filter and the coffee container.   I need a filter holder and rubber seal, I could make the seal I suppose.   It does work well, if you ignore the odd leak.   I clean the stainless steel filter once a month with half a teaspoon of dishwasher powder, rinsing it often

(https://i.imgur.com/R5Okpmp.jpg)

@chrisc give this guys a call http://www.partshub.co.za/ They just opposite the street of Gourmet. They have stock of a lot of parts and stuff. I was there this morning for a filter for my espresso unit.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 15, 2019, 05:29:30 PM
My word, Gerlach, the content of that showroom is the stuff dreams are made of!  :drool:
I see they also offer my lowly Expobar, though.

@LouisF You can say that again. I see you moving down to strand side so you must make a plan and pop in by this place. They got awesome stuff there. What i like about them is, they make you a free cup of coffee while you busy waiting for them to pre-pack your coffee for you. They even give Barista classes there.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: HB on January 15, 2019, 09:07:20 PM
I am late to this discussion but 2 of my vices that I am willing to discuss publicly are wine and coffee

After using a Delongi Espresso machine bought in Europe for almost 15 years and then being disappointed with modern versions of “home” machines and not having space for an Industrial machine at the moment I Am quite happy with my old school moka pot, of which I have a few versions.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/3fbb2bf9dfdc45f698977ac26d1346ff.jpg)

I think besides the fresh grinding the quality of the water is crucial to a good coffee. So i only use filtered water.

Perfect-cup in Parkview is a nice understated coffee supplier as well.


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+1 what I use.
I love my coffee too however cost and space constraints keep me humble.
Great thread. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: optimus on January 16, 2019, 12:11:48 PM
Also a huge fan of the Bialetti . Nothing comes close in terms of price/footprint/ease of use /clean up.

Read somewhere that the Bialetti company is in financial distress though .
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Larry on January 16, 2019, 01:52:54 PM
Also a huge fan of the Bialetti . Nothing comes close in terms of price/footprint/ease of use /clean up.

Read somewhere that the Bialetti company is in financial distress though .

Also a big fan, heard they got bailed out or something though...?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 16, 2019, 08:28:24 PM
@LouisF You can say that again. I see you moving down to strand side so you must make a plan and pop in by this place. They got awesome stuff there. What i like about them is, they make you a free cup of coffee while you busy waiting for them to pre-pack your coffee for you. They even give Barista classes there.
I am in the Strand already and will certainly drop in on those guys, thanks.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Trompie67 on January 18, 2019, 09:22:43 AM
Our new house has one of these installed in the kitchen:

(https://i.postimg.cc/R0YhsdW5/AEG-Competence.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Looking forward to seeing if it is any good or more of a decoration than anything else.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: MJINC on January 18, 2019, 10:36:25 AM
Our new house has one of these installed in the kitchen:

(https://i.postimg.cc/R0YhsdW5/AEG-Competence.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Looking forward to seeing if it is any good or more of a decoration than anything else.
My friend has one and they're decent but the main hassle is servicing them. Expensive and not easy to do

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: leonpjhb on January 18, 2019, 11:17:22 AM
Seems to be from circa 2006. Manual here: http://www.usersmanualguide.com/manuals/zanussi_aeg_electrolux_parkinson/U23287.pdf

It seemingly has the basic building blocks of being able to make a decent cup. Grinder specs not evident except for being able to do about 1 gram/second, but it doesn’t say how it achieves this (burr type or size).

For starters it’s not a superautomatic (like most built-in machines), so that is a big plus for me at least - gives a lot of flexibility.





Our new house has one of these installed in the kitchen:

(https://i.postimg.cc/R0YhsdW5/AEG-Competence.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Looking forward to seeing if it is any good or more of a decoration than anything else.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: gapco on January 18, 2019, 01:53:17 PM
Quite a bit of that kit is over R100 000, but mainly the equipment for Baristas.   Its a magnificent shop though

I have had a Artiete Noveccento Espresso machine for 12+ years.  Its starting to pack up now and the factory in Italy referred me to their SA agents in Jhb.   The only thing they had in stock was a rubber ring which goes between the filter and the coffee container.   I need a filter holder and rubber seal, I could make the seal I suppose.   It does work well, if you ignore the odd leak.   I clean the stainless steel filter once a month with half a teaspoon of dishwasher powder, rinsing it often

(https://i.imgur.com/R5Okpmp.jpg)

If I remember correctly this is a re-badged De Longhi machine in a chrome plated steel cabinet with the added temperature gauge and different operating levers. The De Longhi model escapes me now but parts between the two were one and the same.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Curlycat on January 18, 2019, 02:23:08 PM
This is how I like to do my coffee

(https://i.postimg.cc/FRyy83sh/215489-944campfire-coffee-orig1323949747.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JoziNic on January 18, 2019, 03:39:23 PM
This is how I like to do my coffee

(https://i.postimg.cc/FRyy83sh/215489-944campfire-coffee-orig1323949747.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
You must try royal coffee roasters’ single use drip sachet. You put it on your cup and then all you need is boiling water.


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JoziNic on January 18, 2019, 03:43:40 PM
I’m also very late to this thread. I am very close to coffee..physically & spiritually


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 19, 2019, 11:15:06 AM
If I remember correctly this is a re-badged De Longhi machine in a chrome plated steel cabinet with the added temperature gauge and different operating levers. The De Longhi model escapes me now but parts between the two were one and the same.

Ariete cafe retro 1385 that you get in De Longhi name. Same parts and looks. Maybe you will get parts under this names.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on January 19, 2019, 01:47:37 PM
Looking for recommendations...250g coffee beans. Prefer medium to dark coffee beans but will consider dark roast that have enough flavours. Coffee that I can drink every day, for any occasion. Preferably from a roaster and not  "off-the-shelf" supermarket type beans. In the Pretoria East area. TIA. Budget: R50-R100.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 19, 2019, 04:13:11 PM
This is how I like to do my coffee

(https://i.postimg.cc/FRyy83sh/215489-944campfire-coffee-orig1323949747.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Lekker man!! With a nice Coffee bag inside and some good coffee. I actually got one of that Coffee pots for if we go camping. Don't forget the glove because that handle can get  :cr@p: warm!!!
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: WELIHF on January 19, 2019, 05:36:38 PM
Looking for recommendations...250g coffee beans. Prefer medium to dark coffee beans but will consider dark roast that have enough flavours. Coffee that I can drink every day, for any occasion. Preferably from a roaster and not  "off-the-shelf" supermarket type beans. In the Pretoria East area. TIA. Budget: R50-R100.

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Can recommend Heavenly Coffees in Centurion

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on January 19, 2019, 05:39:32 PM
Can recommend Heavenly Coffees in Centurion

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Great stuff. There's a heavenly coffee in Menlo Park. They have a lot of variety. Will try some. Any specific type you recommend?

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: WELIHF on January 19, 2019, 05:44:10 PM
Their Angel Brew is a very nice blend, the one in Centurion has a nice quaint coffee shop inside so you could test all the coffee before you buy.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JoziNic on January 19, 2019, 06:03:55 PM
Looking for recommendations...250g coffee beans. Prefer medium to dark coffee beans but will consider dark roast that have enough flavours. Coffee that I can drink every day, for any occasion. Preferably from a roaster and not  "off-the-shelf" supermarket type beans. In the Pretoria East area. TIA. Budget: R50-R100.

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Royal coffee roasters in greenstone /edenvale you can order off their website and have it delivered he roasts fresh and then couriers. His black gold blend is AMAZING.
Third space coffee on fourways won best new coffee shop in 2018 very very good he does toast a lot for a lot of other coffee shops
Terbodore coffee in KzN midlands you can order off their website they are really really good.
(Third space and terbodore will be more expensive than what you have stipulates your budget. Royal coffee roasters average per 250g is between R77-90 something)
I can not recommend royal coffee roasters enough


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on January 19, 2019, 06:11:13 PM
Royal coffee roasters in greenstone /edenvale you can order off their website and have it delivered he roasts fresh and then couriers. His black gold blend is AMAZING.
Third space coffee on fourways won best new coffee shop in 2018 very very good he does toast a lot for a lot of other coffee shops
Terbodore coffee in KzN midlands you can order off their website they are really really good.
(Third space and terbodore will be more expensive than what you have stipulates your budget. Royal coffee roasters average per 250g is between R77-90 something)
I can not recommend royal coffee roasters enough


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I'm keen to have a look at Royal Coffee roasters. I've had Terbodore. In the Midlands actually. Bought a hazelnut flavoured coffee. Was okay. Also bought the single origin Ugandan. Not too impressed. This was in my coffee plunger days before I had an espresso machine.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JoziNic on January 19, 2019, 06:31:49 PM
I'm keen to have a look at Royal Coffee roasters. I've had Terbodore. In the Midlands actually. Bought a hazelnut flavoured coffee. Was okay. Also bought the single origin Ugandan. Not too impressed. This was in my coffee plunger days before I had an espresso machine.

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I also had terbodore in the midlands. The flavored (vanilla/hazelnut/butterscotch) wasn’t bad agreed. I stayed away from the single origin and went with their house terbodore signature roast rather.
Royal has African beans, South American, Central American. And does a few of his own blends. His down under blend is also really good, slight lean to the acidic side as an espresso/americano (on the down under blend) but his black gold as an everyday drinking coffee is
Of all the coffee I drink I probably spend 80% of my coffee spend at royal.
Heavenly coffees in Pretoria is also good, tribeca in Pretoria are also superb. Their barista won regionals last year if I remember correctly (in fact I think of the top 5 for regionals 3 out of the 5 came from tribeca) they do tend to lean slightly toward more acidity. But are definitely worth trying aswell


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on January 19, 2019, 08:24:50 PM
Funny you mention them...Had the weirdest experience when I had a Hazelnut coffee there. Almost passed out. Wayyyy too strong. Within 5mins of drinking the coffee I started to hallucinate very slightly...Not the first time I had the experience but weird still. Tribecca does make good coffee. I'd like to try a signature type of coffee from them.One time I had half a white chocolate coffee that someone else didn't want to finish. Almost threw up. Sickly sweet. I've been drinking Aquaspresso's (Sandton?) africa blend for almost 2 years now. Daily. My favourite coffee I'd say. I feel it's time to try something else. I'll skip the acidic taste. Not a fan at all. That's why I generally go for an African blend, not too acidic, not too sweet/fruity/sharp.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 20, 2019, 10:22:36 AM
Our new house has one of these installed in the kitchen:

(https://i.postimg.cc/R0YhsdW5/AEG-Competence.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Looking forward to seeing if it is any good or more of a decoration than anything else.
If it is possible to adjust the grinder correctly and you use fresh, good quality beans good coffee is just about a given. Once you have mastered the operation of that machine, of course. Enjoy the journey.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 20, 2019, 10:24:14 AM
This is how I like to do my coffee

(https://i.postimg.cc/FRyy83sh/215489-944campfire-coffee-orig1323949747.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Boeretroos (I find this impossible to translate to something that carries the meaning correctly) in its purest form. And the setting is perfect, to say the least.
I take it you know the trick to settle the grounds just before pouring.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 20, 2019, 10:33:55 AM
Boeretroos (I find this impossible to translate to something that carries the meaning correctly) in its purest form. And the setting is perfect, to say the least.
I take it you know the trick to settle the grounds just before pouring.

Jy slaan die spyker op die kop daar!! Trick that I have learn with this setup, just before you pour your cup of coffee, you take a piece of burning wood coal and add it in to your hot coffee that is brewing in the coffee bag. It gives it a bit of different taste that is really nice. Something that I learned form the people of the west coast.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on January 20, 2019, 10:39:20 AM
Jy slaan die spyker op die kop daar!! Trick that I have learn with this setup, just before you pour your cup of coffee, you take a piece of burning wood coal and add it in to your hot coffee that is brewing in the coffee bag. It gives it a bit of different taste that is really nice. Something that I learned form the people of the west coast.
I'll buy one of these just to test that.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 20, 2019, 11:56:54 AM
Jy slaan die spyker op die kop daar!! Trick that I have learn with this setup, just before you pour your cup of coffee, you take a piece of burning wood coal and add it in to your hot coffee that is brewing in the coffee bag (or pot?). Dis hom daai! [that's the one]It gives it a bit of different taste that is really nice. Something that I learned form the people of the west coast.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JoziNic on January 20, 2019, 12:57:37 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190120/c5acb208f630b9242aba26a0dc80e39b.jpg)
12 months of time measured in 250g bags of beans


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 20, 2019, 02:55:06 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190120/c5acb208f630b9242aba26a0dc80e39b.jpg)
12 months of time measured in 250g bags of beans


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Hahahahah!!!! nice!! about 18kg of coffee. Looks good. I think I need to take a pic end of this year but I think people will think I'm crazy, and that excludes the coffee at work.  :rubhands:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 20, 2019, 03:01:16 PM
Looking for recommendations...250g coffee beans. Prefer medium to dark coffee beans but will consider dark roast that have enough flavours. Coffee that I can drink every day, for any occasion. Preferably from a roaster and not  "off-the-shelf" supermarket type beans. In the Pretoria East area. TIA. Budget: R50-R100.

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Check if you can find a Peacock Coffee place https://www.peacockteaandcoffee.co.za/online-store/coffee/ There main roaster is around the corner of my work. There own House blend is really good and African Pride. There Vienna is nice to.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Katji on January 20, 2019, 06:14:38 PM
I’m also very late to this thread. I am very close to coffee..physically & spiritually
"I can relate."  I think I avoided this thread until now because I don't want to do anything that adds to my addiction problem.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Curlycat on January 20, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
Jy slaan die spyker op die kop daar!! Trick that I have learn with this setup, just before you pour your cup of coffee, you take a piece of burning wood coal and add it in to your hot coffee that is brewing in the coffee bag. It gives it a bit of different taste that is really nice. Something that I learned form the people of the west coast.

Nope, that is a new one for me. Must try it sometime. (I think) Thanks for the suggestion.
What I sometimes do is put a pinch of salt with my coffee.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Skylark on January 21, 2019, 10:02:35 PM
The link below takes one to a page where the differences are discussed and it is not a clear-cut win for either, in my humble opinion.
https://knowyourgrinder.com/ceramic-vs-steel-burr-grinders/
Only thing I can see a high quality metal burr doing better than ceramic is lasting longer, probably a lifetime or 2.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 22, 2019, 10:24:32 PM
Only thing I can see a high quality metal burr doing better than ceramic is lasting longer, probably a lifetime or 2.
Don't be too sure about that. If that were the case, why would La Marzocco use ceramic burrs in a R54k ± grinder? Maybe it is not about durability, can't say. Steel burrs can of course be sharpened and I doubt one could sharpen ceramic ones.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: kenvanraas on January 22, 2019, 10:35:06 PM
Can i get a cuppa out of this thing?
(https://i.imgur.com/cClUl99.png)

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: kenvanraas on January 22, 2019, 10:37:49 PM
Its a Siemens by Porsche Design Coffee Maker,otherwise it can be of to a good/bad home  :goofy:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 23, 2019, 08:14:21 AM
@kenvanraas Check on page 10 post #135 . I actually own one,  And so far I like mine. It makes a good cup of filter coffee, You just need to have the rite paper filter and the rite blend and grinding. What i like about is the settings that you can adjust how fast it must drip the water into the filter and how much coffee it must make, and best of all it keeps the coffee warm for a long time the flask. Funny part, when the flask comes out by it self when it finish making the coffee.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: kenvanraas on January 23, 2019, 08:58:28 AM
Thanks for that Gerlach,
I'll try it this weekend then,will report back soon  :dop:.
(It is a very cool looking gadget)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 23, 2019, 01:15:35 PM
Thanks for that Gerlach,
I'll try it this weekend then,will report back soon  :dop:.
(It is a very cool looking gadget)

No problem. Glad i can help. It uses a 1x4 filter. You can get them from Coffee supplier or roasters for cheap. I buy mine fro Gourmet them in packets of 100 and think they like R25 and then you get biodegradable coffee filter to. Can't remember the name now. Got a box of that to. I see you in cape town side.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Curlycat on January 23, 2019, 03:40:22 PM
I realize that punting coffee types here are futile since taste varies. Many people like Starbucks coffee, I don't.  :nfi:

Just tried this brand/blend and I am pleasantly happy with the taste. Very soft, dark coffee with strong chocolate flavour and a hint of a nutty aftertaste. Subtle undertones of cinnamon. Not bitter at all. Really glad I tried this. I will definitely buy this again.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QtRcrKVb/IMG-20190123-153317.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5YSXB0BY)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 23, 2019, 04:47:54 PM
I realize that punting coffee types here are futile since taste varies. Many people like Starbucks coffee, I don't.  :nfi:

Just tried this brand/blend and I am pleasantly happy with the taste. Very soft, dark coffee with strong chocolate flavour and a hint of a nutty aftertaste. Subtle undertones of cinnamon. Not bitter at all. Really glad I tried this. I will definitely buy this again.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QtRcrKVb/IMG-20190123-153317.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5YSXB0BY)
Bought at Checkers?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 23, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
I realize that punting coffee types here are futile since taste varies. Many people like Starbucks coffee, I don't.  :nfi:

Just tried this brand/blend and I am pleasantly happy with the taste. Very soft, dark coffee with strong chocolate flavour and a hint of a nutty aftertaste. Subtle undertones of cinnamon. Not bitter at all. Really glad I tried this. I will definitely buy this again.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QtRcrKVb/IMG-20190123-153317.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5YSXB0BY)

Starbucks is crap, like Vida coffee. Checkers foreigh ground is nice. I like there Romea, Sierra and El Salvader.

If you want something in same level then the Romeo, then the VIP blent of house of coffee is really good. I love that taste. Peacock coffee own blend is awesome to.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Curlycat on January 23, 2019, 04:55:39 PM
Yes, from Checkers.
I agree House of Coffees' House blend is good. As far as I know, they use Illy coffee? I also like their Weiner Michung blend. We have a Peacock close by, so will pop in there soon.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 24, 2019, 10:52:07 AM
Yes, from Checkers.
I agree House of Coffees' House blend is good. As far as I know, they use Illy coffee? I also like their Weiner Michung blend. We have a Peacock close by, so will pop in there soon.
The HoC coffees I used to buy have always been quite old, rather more than 4 weeks, so I steer clear of that these days. Locally we have Snobs Coffee (Somerset Mall) that also sells green beans, Ambeans (Somerset Mall and Tygervallei Mall) and quite a few in Somerset West Town, on the R44 to Stellenbosch (Wings) and in Stellenbosch, De Luxe, The Blue Crane and the Butterfly, Ya Ya Café and more. Snobs makes me my personal blend which I enjoy a lot.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Ju_dy@RT on January 24, 2019, 02:20:00 PM
yes...  I know the pure thought thereof is PURE BLASPHEMY... but I saw this again the other day and it made me think of this thread, so had to share :) Happy Thursday everyone...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWjFkbNCX4c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWjFkbNCX4c)

" So, 'n vies kerel bek@k homself die ander dag... "  :ROFLMAO:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 24, 2019, 02:45:17 PM
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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 24, 2019, 02:56:21 PM
The HoC coffees I used to buy have always been quite old, rather more than 4 weeks, so I steer clear of that these days. Locally we have Snobs Coffee (Somerset Mall) that also sells green beans, Ambeans (Somerset Mall and Tygervallei Mall) and quite a few in Somerset West Town, on the R44 to Stellenbosch (Wings) and in Stellenbosch, De Luxe, The Blue Crane and the Butterfly, Ya Ya Café and more. Snobs makes me my personal blend which I enjoy a lot.

I like Snobs Coffee setup. Use to drink coffee there every Sunday when I  where still staying in Strand side. I actually know the guy of Wings coffee. He was n SA Air force pilot on Langebaan weg. Met him by a friend of mine that's a fighter pilot now. He started doing small roasting at his home and selling to the guys on the base. Die pilots vrek oor koffie op daai bases. He then got him self a big roaster and open a roasting shop and when full in to roasting in Langebaan. Know he runs 3 extra setups and planning to go overseas with the brand.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: AlienLlama on January 24, 2019, 10:44:07 PM
Quite impressed by the members on this thread. HOC special is one of my favourite. It's a pity the coffee is always old when you get it from a supermarket. I found the checkers foreign blends (south american ones in particular) to be very bland.Not the worst coffee. All tasted the same though. I was pleasantly surprised by the medium-dark (maroon?) Antigua brand. Cheap cheap. Still on the hunt for a new regular drinking coffee. I've heard the signature blend of starbucks is good. Having said that, I got this from a novice. I'll try it once and see. I love the starbucks experience and the different brewing methods. Found the clover to be the best. Syphon was quite entertaining. Service is always impeccable. Seattle tastes better though.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 25, 2019, 07:37:04 AM
Spotted this yesterday at Checkers. Still need to test this and see how it is.

(https://i.postimg.cc/NMqfqmRD/20190124-183903.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wt2dDtfR)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Toxxyc on January 25, 2019, 07:42:08 AM
My wife is a big, big fan of these guys' English Toffee coffee:  https://www.coffeeunplugged.co.za/beans/roastery.html

I buy the beans, grind by hand and then run them through an el-cheapo espresso machine.  It's old and the seals aren't holding on very well anymore so it doesn't build up enough pressure, but it still makes a lekker cup for me.

I need to get an electric grinder (they're not expensive these days) and a better machine.  But money.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 25, 2019, 08:33:03 AM
My wife is a big, big fan of these guys' English Toffee coffee:  https://www.coffeeunplugged.co.za/beans/roastery.html

I buy the beans, grind by hand and then run them through an el-cheapo espresso machine.  It's old and the seals aren't holding on very well anymore so it doesn't build up enough pressure, but it still makes a lekker cup for me.

I need to get an electric grinder (they're not expensive these days) and a better machine.  But money.

Just stay away from the Blade grinder type of stuff.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Trompie67 on January 25, 2019, 08:53:18 AM
Green Bean at Casalinga in Muldersdrift have some really nice blends: https://www.greenbeancoffee.co.za

I've known Iris & Lee since they opened about 10 years ago - of importance is that they can trace their coffee back to it's original source, so you are getting 100% what they tell you. They've both been involved with coffee growing for a number of years - Iris was one of the top bush pilots in the main coffee growing areas in Africa.

Their house blend as well as Zimbabwe blend are excellent for every day drinking. I've found them reasonably priced & they can supply roasted beans or ground to your preference.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Toxxyc on January 25, 2019, 09:20:57 AM
Just stay away from the Blade grinder type of stuff.

Yeah, I currently have a conical burr grinder with ceramic cones.  I want the same, just powered with a little motor so I don't have to turn the lever by hand each time I want coffee.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 25, 2019, 09:59:39 AM
Yeah, I currently have a conical burr grinder with ceramic cones.  I want the same, just powered with a little motor so I don't have to turn the lever by hand each time I want coffee.
use the electric drill.  :rubhands:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Toxxyc on January 25, 2019, 10:14:56 AM
use the electric drill.  :rubhands:

I've used my battery drill.  Works well, but it damages the screw thread where it attaches, so I stopped...   :vsad:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on January 25, 2019, 01:16:01 PM
I've used my battery drill.  Works well, but it damages the screw thread where it attaches, so I stopped...   :vsad:

hahahaha! Hoe se hulle, boer maak n plan. maybe get something like this to screw on to the thread, but it is the best to look for something that will do the job right.

(https://ae01.alicdn.com/img/pb/934/153/648/648153934_782.jpg)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Toxxyc on January 25, 2019, 01:34:02 PM
Yeah I can make a plan, I guess, but an electric grinder isn't that expensive anymore.  They seemed to have dipped in prices since I bought the hand grinder.  One day.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on January 26, 2019, 10:07:57 AM
Suitable electric grinders for drip and so on one can have for R1k - R2K, espresso grinders are a bit steeper in price. Better to wait until you can afford a good grinder, for it is the single most important item in the espresso process.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on February 05, 2019, 12:00:33 PM
Look what I got hold of today. 1kg bag  :rubhands:

(https://i.postimg.cc/pLYHFL8P/20190205-114708.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VJ6py1Dh)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on February 05, 2019, 12:29:53 PM
There was a barista at the CT Hi-Fi Club's Vinyl Fair on Sunday 3rd Feb.  He is Bradley Lopes and his business is in Paarden Eiland, Smoke'm Brewhouse

His prices were very reasonable I thought and the coffee excellent. 

He told me that the coffee he used comes from India.  He mentioned Malabar as his personal choice, at R250,00 for a 1Kg bag


(https://i.imgur.com/Cbk6C3w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on February 05, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
There was a barista at the CT Hi-Fi Club's Vinyl Fair on Sunday 3rd Feb.  He is Bradley Lopes and his business is in Paarden Eiland, Smoke'm Brewhouse

His prices were very reasonable I thought and the coffee excellent. 

He told me that the coffee he used comes from India.  He mentioned Malabar as his personal choice, at R250,00 for a 1Kg bag


(https://i.imgur.com/Cbk6C3w.jpg)

Lekker!! Wish I was there. My wife even told me i can leave her in the hospital, "how nice is she" and go pop in , but I said no, i'm not leaving her out of my eye sight. There will be a next one again.

Looks like you guys are getting the hang of it on Vinyl Fair and getting bigger.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: chrisc on February 05, 2019, 12:51:17 PM
The next one is on 5th May and will be the 21st VF.  The first one was in 2014 and there were 6 dealers.  On Sunday there were 19 and we have 37 on our mailing list

Advertising via Social Media works best.   There is a bar which opens at 11.00am  (not soon enough for some) and we make boerewors rolls at R30 each.   It was a good idea having this barista, he did a really good job and told me that he exceeded his target by a tidy sum.   There were people queueing up the whole morning

Not the best attended, this was in September last year when over 400 passed through the door.  Who knows why?  Maybe some people like to go to the beach in summer, as you know there is plenty to do in Cape Town
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on February 07, 2019, 07:44:32 AM
Look what I got hold of today. 1kg bag  :rubhands:

(https://i.postimg.cc/pLYHFL8P/20190205-114708.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VJ6py1Dh)

So last night I grind some of this coffee and tested it with a friend of my that opened his own little coffee place in PE , Pottie's coffee. This is some really good  :cr@p: . They taste is super smooth and gives really good left over taste in your mouth. It's a medium roast, gold of color with some dark beans mix between it. This is expensive coffee but if you get your hands on a bag, buy it and test it. It is really good. 
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on February 07, 2019, 09:11:10 PM
I happened on the following web site that carries a wealth of coffee related info.
http://www.supremo.be/en/continent/coffee-encyclopedia
For every real coffee aficionado.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on February 08, 2019, 01:17:31 PM
I happened on the following web site that carries a wealth of coffee related info.
http://www.supremo.be/en/continent/coffee-encyclopedia
For every real coffee aficionado.

Nice!! some good stuff one there. Someone got me this book when they where on boat trip. There was this guys that works on the boat and his job is to make coffee and to show you how t make coffee to explain all about it.

(https://www.mapstudio.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/9781770266254.jpg)

There some nice info and it give you a map of all the places in SA where there is coffee shops and roasters.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on February 08, 2019, 07:15:02 PM
@ Gerlach
Looks a very interesting book. I have one of these and it is also quite comprehensive. Takealot or Amazon, can't remember which.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cvvYcwdP/Coffee-Obsession.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvvYcwdP)
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on February 11, 2019, 01:51:53 PM
Interesting coffee facts:
https://capecoffeebeans.co.za/blogs/cape-coffee-blog/77091524-7-factors-that-influence-coffee-flavour?utm_source=Cape+Coffee+Beans+Newsletter&utm_campaign=7fcd30f394-Newsletter+255+-+Best+of+the+Blog&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d7e57e234f-7fcd30f394-153175029&mc_cid=7fcd30f394&mc_eid=861666fc0d
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: JoziNic on February 12, 2019, 12:10:19 PM
So I have of late been really enjoying cold brew coffee (essentially the coffee is brewed cold, as opposed to extracted from a shot, or made as a hot brew then cooled)...there are a few methods some that include expensive hario dripping brewers, but have found a super easy method that gives me 1.5ltrs of cold brew concentrate for to drink throughout the week.
I find cold brew to really be super easy & flavourful (& have almost zero acidity..infact so much so that when I go back to even a normal americano I sometimes get a kick of super high acidity) for those interested in trying:
a large coffee plunger (French press if you're a hipster)
70g of ground coffee (not too fine, should be a decent mixture of sand & boulders)
500ml of cold water
I normally increase the water to 1.5L but don't triple the coffee measure (I normally go to a max of about 120g)

method:
place plunger on scale
place ground coffee into carafe of plunger to measured weight
fill with ice & cold water
place plunger onto top of carafe (& do not press) allow plunger to sit for a minimum of 6hrs
after a 6 hour steep (I normally do an overnight steep) press plunger down
pour from plunger into bottle & refrigerate
best enjoyed ice cold

I then use this "concentrate" as a 1/3 of a cold brew into a flask or glass filled with ice, and either a splash of almond milk or more ice cold water,

Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Gerlach on February 12, 2019, 07:16:05 PM
So I have of late been really enjoying cold brew coffee (essentially the coffee is brewed cold, as opposed to extracted from a shot, or made as a hot brew then cooled)...there are a few methods some that include expensive hario dripping brewers, but have found a super easy method that gives me 1.5ltrs of cold brew concentrate for to drink throughout the week.
I find cold brew to really be super easy & flavourful (& have almost zero acidity..infact so much so that when I go back to even a normal americano I sometimes get a kick of super high acidity) for those interested in trying:
a large coffee plunger (French press if you're a hipster)
70g of ground coffee (not too fine, should be a decent mixture of sand & boulders)
500ml of cold water
I normally increase the water to 1.5L but don't triple the coffee measure (I normally go to a max of about 120g)

method:
place plunger on scale
place ground coffee into carafe of plunger to measured weight
fill with ice & cold water
place plunger onto top of carafe (& do not press) allow plunger to sit for a minimum of 6hrs
after a 6 hour steep (I normally do an overnight steep) press plunger down
pour from plunger into bottle & refrigerate
best enjoyed ice cold

I then use this "concentrate" as a 1/3 of a cold brew into a flask or glass filled with ice, and either a splash of almond milk or more ice cold water,

I love my cold brew coffee to. Founded some really cool stuff on Instagram how to make some really nice cold brew. You must go check it out. Even my wife like's it, and the best of all, she wasn't really a real coffee drinker till I start showing how to enjoy it.   
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on March 14, 2019, 12:28:31 PM
Does anyone here have an espresso machine with an E61 brew head?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: BWS on March 14, 2019, 01:00:54 PM
https://cannacoffee.co.za/


Good ****. THC free so you can drink it at work as well
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: gapco on March 14, 2019, 01:06:48 PM
Does anyone here have an espresso machine with an E61 brew head?

Commercial or domestic ?
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on March 17, 2019, 03:17:17 PM
Commercial or domestic ?
Either one.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: seanjammy on March 17, 2019, 04:14:00 PM
Does anyone here have an espresso machine with an E61 brew head?
What do you need to know? I've had a few E61 machines, still have an Isomac in storage.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on March 17, 2019, 05:49:28 PM
No, not needing info, just my experience regarding cleaning (back flushing) on a regular basis. I have an Expobar Office Leva (aka Brewtus in other markets) and have been doing this back flushing thing every night. Even did the same with coffee machine soap in the blind filter. The other night I put a small amount of soap in the blind filter, did a couple of back flushes then left it like that for an hour or so to see if any of that oily residue might not perhaps gets flushed out after soaking in soap for a while. I was quite dismayed when a lot of dirt started to appear in the water released when I closed the valve. And it just kept on coming out. Must have taken upward of 30 flushes before the released water was clear again and no dirt (by want of a better word) was present in the blind filter when I took the portafilter off. Just thought I should share this if anybody here has an E61 machine and who, like me, erroneously believed that back flushing is sufficient. It's not, soaking seems to be important as well, but I have never read anything about that on any of the coffee forums I frequent, nor in the machine's manual.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: gapco on March 19, 2019, 09:16:44 AM
No, not needing info, just my experience regarding cleaning (back flushing) on a regular basis. I have an Expobar Office Leva (aka Brewtus in other markets) and have been doing this back flushing thing every night. Even did the same with coffee machine soap in the blind filter. The other night I put a small amount of soap in the blind filter, did a couple of back flushes then left it like that for an hour or so to see if any of that oily residue might not perhaps gets flushed out after soaking in soap for a while. I was quite dismayed when a lot of dirt started to appear in the water released when I closed the valve. And it just kept on coming out. Must have taken upward of 30 flushes before the released water was clear again and no dirt (by want of a better word) was present in the blind filter when I took the portafilter off. Just thought I should share this if anybody here has an E61 machine and who, like me, erroneously believed that back flushing is sufficient. It's not, soaking seems to be important as well, but I have never read anything about that on any of the coffee forums I frequent, nor in the machine's manual.

I am not familiar with your machine,but what you experienced plagues all espresso machines using a portafilter/basket system whether E61 group head or not. Using a blind filter and detergent to back flush tells me that your machine has a solenoid valve of sorts. This is not a bad thing by any means but in some machines a proper descale is not possible without a complete strip down. In your case I suspect the shower filter in the group head is clogging up with coffee grinds.

In certain machines shower filters are either a flat metal disc with holes or a fine wire mesh,in other cases it is a shower cup similar to the coffee basket. Either way these showers need cleaning and while you are there the group head can be cleaned as well.

In barista training I always instructed students to run water through the group head after every coffee shot they (pulled) made. This way clogging up of the shower screen was minimized.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on March 19, 2019, 11:49:55 AM
@gapco
I only wanted to make people aware that back flushing on a daily basis as well as sometimes with soap does not clean the shower screen and gasket, in fact all parts in the group head coming in contact with coffee; one needs to allow it to soak for an hour or so with soap in the blind filter as well on a regular basis to ensure a clean brew head - I do it on a weekly basis now. That coffee gunk has a very bad influence on the taste of your espresso.

Yes, my machine has a three way valve as is usual for this type of machine.
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: FranZAR on May 19, 2019, 12:48:10 PM
The missus got me a new toy...


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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Family_Dog on May 19, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
^^ Do you have a licence for flying that?


-F_D
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: FranZAR on May 19, 2019, 01:52:37 PM
^^ Do you have a licence for flying that?


-F_D

Still need to  :RTFM:
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: Contrabass on May 20, 2019, 06:30:51 PM
The missus got me a new toy...


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Congrats - you will be very happy. My missus hugs ours in the morning....
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: FranZAR on May 20, 2019, 06:54:24 PM
Congrats - you will be very happy. My missus hugs ours in the morning....
Thanks, I will alternate hugs between the missus and the machine.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on May 21, 2019, 09:19:26 PM
The missus got me a new toy...


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Congrats from me too. Great machine from what I have read about it. Long may you enjoy it!
Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: FranZAR on May 21, 2019, 09:24:32 PM
Congrats from me too. Great machine from what I have read about it. Long may you enjoy it!
Thank you Louis, I must say it makes a pretty decent cup. Very happy.

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Title: Re: The Coffee Thread
Post by: LouisF on May 29, 2019, 06:40:02 PM
Thank you Louis, I must say it makes a pretty decent cup. Very happy.

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A newly acquired friend has one of those and I have to agree: it makes a good cup and the milk steaming function also performs really well.