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Title: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on January 27, 2016, 11:53:39 AM
Dear Friends.... we shipped a lot uDSD, IDA 8, IDA 16, ST 10 and DAC 10 (H).....and now MCH38K, AVP, DAC 9 and ST 9
How does it look, how does it look and how does it sound?

Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: juventino on January 27, 2016, 12:52:10 PM
I will post my thoughts on the DAC-9 on Monday.
Will do some comparisons over the weekend and share my thoughts.

From the listening i have done so far I can say I am happy with the DAC 9 sound. So far its about 60-65hrs run in and it is settling in nicely.
Out of the box soundstage and bass left much to be desired and thought maybe it wasnt going to match my system.

Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: WD on January 27, 2016, 12:52:41 PM
My Dac-9 is a ten!

Still getting acquainted but so far I am suitably impressed and liking it very much indeed!

The description they've given it as a "reference quality professional level dac" is accurate in my estimation so far.

I will try and do a bit of a write-up when I've had more time to listen. :thumbs:
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on January 29, 2016, 10:31:31 AM
.....I m very curious to read about your comments...
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: kamikazi on January 29, 2016, 11:01:10 AM
IDA 16 is rocking on the KEFs. Still early days, will post more detailed impressions later.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on January 31, 2016, 04:37:56 PM
I got good news..... due to the delayed Launch of NuPrime AVP and MCH 38K ...we ll be able to supply 10 more units - still at early Birds conditions  (the retail in Rand of both went up but we are still far below US retail).
I think this is a fantastic opportunity to upgrade your Home Cinema...

So I hope some sleeping birds are waking up...?

We ll get Microphones (for the AVPs) as well ...and in the next shipment the Mics will be included of course....



Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: zer0 on February 01, 2016, 07:46:06 AM
I got good news..... due to the delayed Launch of NuPrime AVP and MCH 38K ...we ll be able to supply 10 more units - still at early Birds conditions  (the retail in Rand of both went up but we are still far below US retail).
I think this is a fantastic opportunity to upgrade your Home Cinema...
What was the Early bird price for each of the products again?
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: xenithon on February 01, 2016, 07:47:34 AM
Still early days, and I will be (slowly but surely) putting together a review of the DAC-10H. Thus far though, I am incredibly satisfied. Bear in mind that:
- the DAC10H is brand new; not sure how and if burn-in will make a difference
- the headphones I am using them with (HD800s) are still burning in and have less than 100hrs on them
- the input I am using is just coax from a Marantz DVD player used as a transport; using a crappy zipcord digital cable from an old HTIB

Thus far what I am hearing is a strange combination of clarity and sweetness that I am not used. I am well aware and accustomed to the potentially shrill nature of the HD800s; but even with taxing female vocals and violin it is beguiling. Bass control and depth is also noteworthy. If you think the HD800s don't do bass, think again.

What I look forward to is:
- full burn in of all components
- getting a decent digital coax cable
- hooking it up via USB to my Mac Mini and playing digital files, including hires / DSD
- trying it out through the balanced HP output with aftermarket balanced headphone cable
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Mandarin on February 01, 2016, 09:51:50 AM
My AVP and MCH K38 should arrive today and then I will test it against the Yamaha 3050.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: kamikazi on February 01, 2016, 12:08:30 PM
Well the guys who got NuPrime AV amps definitely won't be sorry. Currently have the IDA-16 in HT pass through mode and it totally stomps through movie soundtracks with a bass control and authority through the front speakers that is quite difficult to believe. Better than any multi-channel amp I've heard to date. I can just imagine what five channels on the MCH K38 will sound like.

Be cautious of first impressions on the NuPrime gear, it has been some time since I've experienced a component that changed so radically in the first couple of hours with burn in. Make sure you've got good source material as well. I could clearly hear the difference between HD movie formats and the lesser compressed 48KHz tracks.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: xenithon on February 01, 2016, 12:42:20 PM
Be cautious of first impressions on the NuPrime gear, it has been some time since I've experienced a component that changed so radically in the first couple of hours with burn in.

Interesting. After some more burn in I will sample the first set of CD's I listened to, to see if and how it has changed.

One little quirk which confused me: I have been using it solely with a CD transport via digital coax. On some CD's the DAC10H shows "44.1" and on some it shows "48", which didn't quite make sense.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: kalith on February 01, 2016, 01:00:21 PM
I managed to get my AVP and MCH K38 all connected early sunday morning to try and get a few hours worth of listening.
I put on some tracks from about 8AM onwards to allow it some burn in time and began listening from about 1-2PM.
The competition was my Onkyo AVR acting as Pre and NAD M25 power amp.

I listened a bit when i initially switched over and noticed a wider soundstage on my GX 300's of the bat and the bass response was pretty damn impressive as well.Both my AVR and nuprime had double bass enabled.
The music at startup was initially a little lean\unfocused  so i let the setup play for a few hours at a pretty decent volume in the background.
I started seriaasly listening in the afgernoon after the unit had been burning in for 5-6 hours. Must say the MCH K38 runs fairly hot and i think it takes a bit of time to get to optimal temperature.
What transpired was one of the more enjoyable music listening sessions i have had in quite some time.
The onkyo i thought always coloured the music a bit.It had a leaner slightly harsher touch which was tempered quite a bit by the M25. Quite a few people told me i would get a much better sound with a dedicated pre.
The Nuprime combo had a totally different sound and i do mean diffffferent. Very difficult to describe but i would probably settle on a more natural warmer sound that just washes over a person.
Also while the music was very well controlled it was too my mind also a uncoloured reproduction sounding more natural and much more detail ladden than my Yamaha or Onkyo AVR's acting as pr's.
My thoughts a half hour into the listening session was ,is this what people mean when they refer to the capability's of a dedicated pre ? ,if so i have been missing out a lot for quite some time   :wallbreak:

While this is literally early day l im really looking forward to :
Putting some flac and other high fidelity audio thru its paces. Only done my more normal listening 256kbps and 320kbps formats so far.
Exploring the HD moie experience on the AVP as well as testing the AVP playback capbility.
Some further burn in and settling of the MCH K38.
Playing with the DSD
etc.......

In short a very happy camper already at day 1. I cant wait to dig deeper into the potential of the Nuprime Combo.
AS i explore more functionality il pop my feedback thru.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Mandarin on February 03, 2016, 11:38:03 AM
Got my combo yesterday.

Build quality is superb. Really very eye-catching and sleek.

Will run them in properly this weekend. Took a few pics that I will add later.

It is going to be AVP vs Yamaha 3050. Some tough competition.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on February 03, 2016, 11:58:13 AM
...I m very curious about your review in particular haha....

Well..I think its great that the competitor is a Yamaha...very good reputation and oposite to NuPrimes philosophy to keep things simple. Like many Yamaha, Onkyo and Denon etc etc.... they have so so ...soooooooo many functions which I believe are nonsense....but you guys will find out which approach is delivering the better sound

If additional functions do not lead into a better sound ..so whats the point than?
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: juventino on February 08, 2016, 03:11:27 PM
So I have had the DAC-9 for a while now and value for money you can not go wrong.

Definitely a warm sounding dac that has plenty detail and presents a decent soundstage.
Instrument separation is also very good.

From the comparison we did on MY system I can say that I do not regret this purchase. Competes extremely well with Dacs we compared it to.

The one section that i am still undecided on is using it as a pre, there I will have to do more tests as I have not enjoyed the testing so far.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 09, 2016, 08:34:56 PM
i do not like it as a pre, but as a DAC it is good value for money. in its price range it is very competent.
the detail is good, the soundstage is good and it is warm. i am finding it a bit strong on the base with a forward mid but i am missing the highs that i like on some other DAC's the cymbals are a bit dull. not badly dull just a touch.
all in all a very good DAC

no one has commented on the uDSD, that is an incredible buy at the price.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Scubadude on February 09, 2016, 10:37:22 PM
i am finding it a bit strong on the base with a forward mid but i am missing the highs that i like on some other DAC's the cymbals are a bit dull.

If you are pairing with the LCD2's ... they have sharp roll-off in the treble. Without having heard the Nuprime or any other DAC in your system .. so guessing really.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 10, 2016, 06:36:19 AM
If you are pairing with the LCD2's ... they have sharp roll-off in the treble. Without having heard the Nuprime or any other DAC in your system .. so guessing really.
no, this is in the main system, still very nice to listen to.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: WD on February 10, 2016, 02:40:24 PM
So - having listened to the Dac-9 for about 2 weeks now I can share some impressions.

The Dac-9 sounded good from the start after about 30 mins of warm up. Initial impressions were that it sounded well "rounded" with a very nice and sweet midrange and top end (bearing in mind that my hearing doesn't extend much past 13 kHz   :shh:  :OMG:). Bass in my system is strong but balanced and very much the opposite of "one note", being textured, tight and revealing. In fact, the last three descriptive words can be used for the whole frequency range.

After a couple of days the sound really acquired an added dimension as it became even more smooth and effortless and it started showing a really special ability for resolving the sound stage. Instrument placement and solidity is exceptionally rock solid and three dimensional with very clear depth and layering. Placement of instruments left to right and front to back is easily discernable and truly the best I've heard in my system.

When I tried it initially as a preamp directly into a T-Rex power amp and an Adcom it didn't really work that well... buuut.. after the two week burn in period I tried again and it is now a totally different animal and sounds very, very good in that role!

Overall the sound is now very well balanced with that rounded tinge of warmth and sweetness and great ability to reveal the tonality and texture of the instruments. Dynamics are also well presented conveying jump, punch and drama where needed, and subtlety and finesse when asked to.

Still some more listening and experimenting to do with cables and an Audiophilleo usb to spdif converter etc. Will update my impressions.

For me it is already an easy recommendation to try and/ or buy! If I had the cash I would buy a 2nd one for my office straightaway.. :thumbs:
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: joel on February 10, 2016, 04:35:46 PM
Thank you for the feedback WD.
Glad you're enjoying your DAC.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 11, 2016, 04:21:28 PM
Joel, thank you for your time this morning and the opportunity to test the DAC10
I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Spurge on February 12, 2016, 07:47:05 AM
Any further review progress on using the MCH-K38 ?

Cant get to mine to test/use so dependent on feedback here.

Thanks
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: juventino on February 12, 2016, 09:39:19 AM
Joel, thank you for your time this morning and the opportunity to test the DAC10
I really appreciate it.

What did you think of the 10 compared to the 9?
ESS vs AKM?
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: windshear on February 12, 2016, 03:39:46 PM
Any further review progress on using the MCH-K38 ?

Cant get to mine to test/use so dependent on flick here.

Thanks

I don't have enough hours on it yet. First things first, im very disappointed in the heat it puts out. Its so hot you will burn yourself if you leave your hand on the top and that's with only two channels under test for now. It seems a bit light in the bass compared to my current 2 channel amp. Maybe not a fair comparison. In terms of output measured nearfield and in room, its about 1db down in the midrange in out put and 2 dB's hotter from 6Khz to 12khz in output once again compared to my current set up. The other big disappointment is the gain on the output volume via balanced input its 7,5 dBs less sensitive than what im used to.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Mandarin on February 12, 2016, 04:24:17 PM
I am also a bit concerned about the heat issue. I have the avp ontop of it and only left it on for about 30 mins the other night without any channels active and I could not touch the top of it. Surely putting the avp ontop of it should not cause heat issues with no channels actively running?
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on February 12, 2016, 04:28:21 PM
....regarding the "heat"...well be happy that you dont have a Gryphon Amp... ;)  or some big Valves...
I might be old-fashioned when I say.."what stays cold performs cold..." (I know that there are exceptions....).

Otherwise I m a bit surprised that a Multi Channel Amp gets reviewed in a 2 channel configuration.

May I ask you what your previous set up was (Processor/Pre, Amp...and speakers)

@Mandarin and all others....please do not place any other unit on top of the amp (any amp).
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Mandarin on February 12, 2016, 04:51:55 PM
Ok no worries. Iam just a bit out of space because of the yamaha and the avp.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 14, 2016, 10:21:22 AM
The NuPrime DAC10-H is one amazing DAC/amp. although i still prefer my tube pre, it is an accomplished pre-amp and by no means not an enjoyable listen.
the DAC side of it is crazy good, on par or very close to the T+A
incredible detail, separation , instrument placement, really good base, and remains very musical and easy to listen to.
crank the volume and it just keeps the sound stage growing no loss of any detail.
absolutely love it.

compared to the DAC9, the first thing that comes to mind is the law of diminishing returns. the DAC9 is a good DAC and in it's price range possibly the best there is, including some of the high end used equipment bargains.
the cost of the 9 to the 10 is a big jump but all i can say is there is something special about the 10 and to me it is worth the investment.

sorry no time to waste on the computer i must go and listen some more.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: kamikazi on February 14, 2016, 10:23:03 AM
The IDA-16 gets quite toasty as well. I think it was just designed to radiate a lot of heat through the chassis and that also serves to keep it at optimal operating temperature. If the sound is a bit thin give it a couple of more hours of burn in, I've found the sound becomes more full with time and its better to leave the gear switched on. Imo it does take a bit getting used to the uncoloured sound of the Class D amps. My KEFs are very clean sounding speakers and work very well with the NuPrime gear and I imagine Vivid Audio gear would also sound very good. I'm not entirely convinced by the ESS DACs so far, they do add a bit to the thinness of sound, maybe the AKM DACs would have been a better match with the Class D amps and the ESS better with the Class A + D. Still many of us have been fed a steady diet of coloured gear our entire audio lives. Sometimes it's tough to make the switch. I've done some piano comparisons on my grand piano vs the same piece on my sound system and the sound quality is definitely of a high calibre.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on February 14, 2016, 03:31:40 PM
an IDA8 gets quite hot as well.... but again....what stays cold sound cold and what gets hot......sounds hot?!
When it comes to Pre s, DACs or CD Player - I always leave them on - the difference is so significant.

I also realized that NuPrimes need to be played for quite a time ...but holy moly.....than these amps and DACs are exceptional in their price ranges. I think this is also important to mention..... of course an IDA8 is not the best Integrated/DAC on planet earth...but for the money almost a joke. The same for the IDA16 - thats definitiv an Integrated "for adults"...well and DAC 10 or ST 10 it s in relation - even to the US retail a bargain - and South Africans having the first time the great advantage that our pricing is by far the cheapest....

So my job in the next weeks is to find ideal combinations for NuPrime products....like I did with my Max 1 speakers.....
Not the individual component makes the music...the combination makes it..
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: juventino on February 15, 2016, 11:15:04 AM
The NuPrime DAC10-H is one amazing DAC/amp. although i still prefer my tube pre, it is an accomplished pre-amp and by no means not an enjoyable listen.
the DAC side of it is crazy good, on par or very close to the T+A
incredible detail, separation , instrument placement, really good base, and remains very musical and easy to listen to.
crank the volume and it just keeps the sound stage growing no loss of any detail.
absolutely love it.

compared to the DAC9, the first thing that comes to mind is the law of diminishing returns. the DAC9 is a good DAC and in it's price range possibly the best there is, including some of the high end used equipment bargains.
the cost of the 9 to the 10 is a big jump but all i can say is there is something special about the 10 and to me it is worth the investment.

sorry no time to waste on the computer i must go and listen some more.

Thanks for your info very much appreciated.
I am well surprised that you say it equals or very close to the T+A.

Definitely going to have to go audition the Dac10
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 15, 2016, 12:40:13 PM
Thanks for your info very much appreciated.
I am well surprised that you say it equals or very close to the T+A.

Definitely going to have to go audition the Dac10

swing past and have a listen
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: WD on February 15, 2016, 02:09:52 PM
Wonder if 13Hof has the Dac10 (non H)? :whistler:
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on February 15, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
......I m not 100% sure but Joel maybe has.....?

I am in Germany just now for a heavy teeth operation......tomorrow is the day....uuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh :'(
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: WD on February 15, 2016, 02:47:24 PM
......I m not 100% sure but Joel maybe has.....?

I am in Germany just now for a heavy teeth operation......tomorrow is the day....uuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh :'(

Thanks Achim - I will check with him. I'm not a headphone guy and the non H model is a bit more affordable.

Arghh dentists - I have some bridgework coming up - not looking forward to it. - All the best! :thumbs:
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 15, 2016, 04:13:35 PM
you will not be disappointed, it blows most of the other suff away, it is a subtle but so noticeable difference to the DAC9, it retains it's musicality but digs out so much more.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: WD on February 15, 2016, 04:59:47 PM
you will not be disappointed, it blows most of the other suff away, it is a subtle but so noticeable difference to the DAC9, it retains it's musicality but digs out so much more.

Your recent comments to me about another dac with regards to sound stage has made me listen more carefully now..

Can't  afford a T+A Dac8  so the Nuprime Dac10 might be a consideration if it turns out to have good synergy in my system. :thumbs:
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 15, 2016, 06:13:26 PM
Your recent comments to me about another dac with regards to sound stage has made me listen more carefully now..

Can't  afford a T+A Dac8  so the Nuprime Dac10 might be a consideration if it turns out to have good synergy in my system. :thumbs:
the DAC9 is i would say already ahead of the W4S, but the DAC 10 is very close to the T+A, i cannot see that you would be disappointed. it really punches above it's weight
for the money it is worth it.

sorry i started you listening closely now. >:D
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: WD on February 15, 2016, 07:28:00 PM


sorry i started you listening closely now. >:D

 :ticked: :point:

Yes - have to blame/thank the Dac9 as well.. really like the way it places things clearly..

Funny how one's ears get "re-calibrated" every now and then. :thinking:
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 15, 2016, 07:46:25 PM
just glad you are enjoying whatever you are listening to.
loving the DAC10
not a fan of the remote though, but almost never use it, well lets rather call it a magic wand.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on February 15, 2016, 08:44:39 PM
....This Remote is so expensive and so unpractical and heavy...thats true...but some people love exactly that (I don't)

But while you guys testing the DAC 10..... I also hooked up a DAC 10 with my Martion "Orgon Horns"....so even I m 10.000 miles away...we re doing the same thing ;)

My Orgon Horns I know pretty well..... Martion Horns are not very known in the Audio World...but Heiner (Martion) is a Dinosaur in Horns...together with Alfred from Acapella the veterans in this field.
The set up plays in my old stable....and on purpose I use an old old Saturn CD Player as a transport, kept cables nice but very simple and
wow.....after 3 days this set up starts to play together.

It sounded very average when I unpacked the "cold & new" DAC10...plus here in Bavaria it is freezing cold... after 2 minutes listening I left all ON and left the stable.
Now 3 days later.....what a different....this DAC 10 plays in a very high league.....compared to an old Gryphon Pre (7 times the price) the DAC 10 does a pretty good job as a Pre/DAC. It fits in this system and its able to be a kind of conductor to my Orgon Horns...

The DAC 10 delivers fine and finest details, the lower end is well balanced as well -its definitiv not a spectacular sounding Pre/DAC which is good to me. My judgement so far is that Balance is my magic word...its a very well balanced component

The set up is doing what I expect from something "new"..... it invites me to listen more and more. I searched for lots of titles which I want to listen to.....and I will and I will report -even my english audio fool vocabulary isn't very rich :)

Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 15, 2016, 09:14:42 PM
....This Remote is so expensive and so unpractical and heavy...thats true...but some people love exactly that (I don't)

But while you guys testing the DAC 10..... I also hooked up a DAC 10 with my Martion "Orgon Horns"....so even I m 10.000 miles away...we re doing the same thing ;)

My Orgon Horns I know pretty well..... Martion Horns are not very known in the Audio World...but Heiner (Martion) is a Dinosaur in Horns...together with Alfred from Acapella the veterans in this field.
The set up plays in my old stable....and on purpose I use an old old Saturn CD Player as a transport, kept cables nice but very simple and
wow.....after 3 days this set up starts to play together.

It sounded very average when I unpacked the "cold & new" DAC10...plus here in Bavaria it is freezing cold... after 2 minutes listening I left all ON and left the stable.
Now 3 days later.....what a different....this DAC 10 plays in a very high league.....compared to an old Gryphon Pre (7 times the price) the DAC 10 does a pretty good job as a Pre/DAC. It fits in this system and its able to be a kind of conductor to my Orgon Horns...

The DAC 10 delivers fine and finest details, the lower end is well balanced as well -its definitiv not a spectacular sounding Pre/DAC which is good to me. My judgement so far is that Balance is my magic word...its a very well balanced component

The set up is doing what I expect from something "new"..... it invites me to listen more and more. I searched for lots of titles which I want to listen to.....and I will and I will report -even my english audio fool vocabulary isn't very rich :)

it definitely gets you playing more and more music.
very very impressed with the DAC10 it is the ability to dig out the detail and still stay so musical that makes it magic.
other DAC's can tend to lose the musicality when digging out so much detail.
it is a sure winner.
glad you guys convinced me to take the time and not just settle on the DAC9.
thank you both.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: nvw on February 16, 2016, 07:52:12 AM
You must try it. It is a great DAC. Have compared it to Levinson 30.6, Lampizator and NAD M51. Easily compares to top end dacs.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: juventino on February 16, 2016, 10:13:07 AM
swing past and have a listen

Will definitely take you up on that.

Its a pity that the nuprime drivers for windows doesnt allow you to A/B 2 different nuprime products
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: itscraig on February 16, 2016, 10:21:17 AM
Will definitely take you up on that.

Its a pity that the nuprime drivers for windows doesnt allow you to A/B 2 different nuprime products
not using USB so bring cables and we can plug into the pre and do A/B
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Spurge on February 17, 2016, 10:46:16 AM
No reviews on the MCH-K38 as yet ?? Please ?
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: georgev on February 20, 2016, 08:43:50 PM
I echo Spurge's comments, any thoughts, reviews on the 38 yet?
will not be able to set mine up for a couple of weeks and itching to hear from those using it.
many have received it.
good? great? not so good?
teething issues? practical issues?
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: windshear on February 20, 2016, 10:52:01 PM
I echo Spurge's comments, any thoughts, reviews on the 38 yet?
will not be able to set mine up for a couple of weeks and itching to hear from those using it.
many have received it.
good? great? not so good?
teething issues? practical issues?

See my earlier comments.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on February 20, 2016, 11:24:55 PM
I think the only one who left comments about the sound is Juggy so far.....
Otherwise so far I heard or read - yes the unit gets very hot.....maybe not as hot as my Gryphon Amps but hot....well...is it bad..is it good?

Spurge, George and Mervin....I also miss reports about HOW DOES THE MCH 38K sound and perform ?
I hope you guys set up the amp soon... I miss to read about the S O U N D ....


Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: CAD on February 21, 2016, 06:41:32 AM
 :-[ :-[ :-[

I still need to put my notes together for the time spent with the DAC-9 and STA9 power amps.

Will post shortly
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Mervin on February 21, 2016, 06:45:17 AM
:-[ :-[ :-[

I still need to put my notes together for the time spent with the DAC-9 and STA9 power amps.

Will post shortly
Difficult as I spent time with the same and I am out the country again for 3 months. At least was a weekend this year so far in SA for Valentines.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: CAD on February 21, 2016, 06:45:37 AM
Achim is the MCH 38K much the same design as the IDA 8/ST-9 with Class A input to Class D output ?

The ST-9's also got pretty hot too the touch but my pea brain put this down to the Class A section and small form factor.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: CAD on February 21, 2016, 06:48:37 AM
Difficult as I spent time with the same and I am out the country again for 3 months. At least was a weekend this year so far in SA for Valentines.

Was good to be home for a bit hey Mervin? Lets hope you come home for a longer while next time, as I would love to hear the NuPrimes on the Vivids
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on February 21, 2016, 10:47:36 AM
.....I think the general design of MCH is related to ST 10 ...but soundwise I got told it goes more into the direction of Ref 18 (which I have a s well).
If thats the case...the MCH 38K must be an extremely good sounding amp. Sadly we sold some units to people who arent forum members - mainly people who had super complex and complicate HT Systems (far far more expensive) - and they - without exceptions are very happy about a huge improvement in sound - and the simplicity of the combination AVP & MCH 38. The units "outside" the Forum got all sold with AVP - so the match should be perfect.

Heat? Is definitiv not "my" problem or something I would see as a problem..... having these massive Class A Valves by Unison or Gryphon Class A - Heat doesn't scare me. I get more "nervous" when a unit stays "cold".... but I m conditioned like an old dog.... ;)

Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Spurge on February 25, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Still in California and then on to Mauritius. So as much as I would like to use and report on the MCH-K38 I cannot.

How about asking the "0ff-Forum" purchasers to join the forum?
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on February 25, 2016, 04:50:28 PM
Spurge... I guess you have a very good time...strolling around the world while I m in the cold of Bavaria..... but at least the home made beer is world class.



Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Mervin on February 25, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
I am busy with my feedback on my (very happy) DAC-9 and 2xSTA-9.  Same problem here.  Out the country back in May for a weekend.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Swindlehurstguy on February 25, 2016, 10:15:39 PM
Hi Achim, any chance of a "ballpark" price on the DAC10? Pm me or list in thread, sorry I missed it if it is somewhere in the thread.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Spurge on March 07, 2016, 05:45:58 AM
@achim

Many home breweries here too. Golden Spike Heffenweizer a firm favourite. Or the Polygamy Ale.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Dan on March 07, 2016, 11:25:27 AM
Im interested in the IDA8 or IDA16. I like the idea that its a all in one system. I can either go and get a decent used pre and power amp for the price of an IDA16.

My question how much better is the IDA16 than the IDA8. Im thinking of doing away with my audio lab CD player, freeing space and just have one unit running my esoterics playing from my Macbook.

I have not listened to Class D amps before. Currently I am using my brothers Cambridge 851a that I am very impressed with. It sounds great for what it is.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Mervin on March 07, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
Im interested in the IDA8 or IDA16. I like the idea that its a all in one system. I can either go and get a decent used pre and power amp for the price of an IDA16.

My question how much better is the IDA16 than the IDA8. Im thinking of doing away with my audio lab CD player, freeing space and just have one unit running my esoterics playing from my Macbook.

I have not listened to Class D amps before. Currently I am using my brothers Cambridge 851a that I am very impressed with. It sounds great for what it is.
The IDA-16 is a better amp and I prefer listening to that as my 'reference' system.  The IDA-8 is better value for money (in a sense) but if I had to make a choice, it is the IDA-16.  I have both.
It also depends on your speaker choice.  On larger speakers the IDA-8 may not be the best choice.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Dan on March 09, 2016, 07:50:33 AM
Thanks Mervin, I will try and get to listen to one.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Mervin on March 09, 2016, 08:45:34 AM
As soon as I am back in the country I will setup a few listening sessions between the 3 main NuPrime units I have.  Entry fee could be a nice red aged grape ;)
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Dan on March 09, 2016, 09:33:08 AM
Great, I can definitely do that
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on March 09, 2016, 06:28:40 PM
.....both IDA 8 and IDA16 are going very well with Tannoy btw.. :)    I prefer the IDA16 - its an adult amp..very adult and even some say the bargain of their Line is the IDA 8..thats not wrong but once you listen to the IDA16..yes...its far more...but you also get far more. Its an amazing amp...
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Spurge on March 23, 2016, 12:55:55 PM
How well does the STA-10 sound with the Tannoy's?

As per the NuPrime matrix table the MCH-K38 sounds closer/similar to the STA-10, hence the interest in that combo.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on March 23, 2016, 03:40:11 PM
...Hi Spurge..... which Tannoys?

I just play around with the XT6F and DAC 9 and STA 9...amazing combo.... XT 8F ..I have to try...
The STA 10 is a big step ahead of STA 9...more control , larger soundstage, finer details.... to make it short ...the better amp without any doubt.

Bigger Tannoys I must try.... I can imagine IDA16 will work very well.... but on my Turnberry f.e. so far I have no experiences with NuPrimes
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: BillyBawb on June 28, 2016, 11:50:10 AM
Resurrecting this thread..

Any more impressions of the MCH-K38 worth sharing? (Excepting of course any incidents necessitating a refund  :whistler: )
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: achim on June 28, 2016, 12:03:20 PM
.....no only one refund so far. But yes the MCH 38K was a difficult birth (sometimes it is like that). Joel just now is busy to upgrade the last units which need to be shipped out and than I believe this Early Bird was maybe the bargain of 2016 (for those who could wait and understood the Early Bird concept as it was meant to be).
I m sure in a couple of days we ll read some very good reviews about a very affordable and powerful Multiichannel amp....

Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Spurge on August 12, 2016, 05:45:42 PM
NuPrime MCH-K38 (received 2 weeks back, connected this week)

As they say in some fast food retaurants >>> "the quality is remembered long after the wait is forgotten"

Early days. But drawn in to listen and re-listen. Using for stereo music only at this early stage. Pleasantly surprised by the good sound. Instrument timbre accurate. Uncanny quiet back-ground comparable to Devialet.

Immediate thoughts are:
Sound quality >>>
1) It is indeed a poor-man's Devialet. The sound def leans that direction.
2) It is not a Mark Levinson 33H. Not a ML335.
3) It is better than the Proceed AMP5 that for years was a Sound Journal reference THX multi-channel amp in the early 2000's.
4) Much, much better than the Rotel 1075 & 1095 multi-channel amps.
5) Similar but with with a different sound to the Audiolab monoblocks that sold out at R11,000 a channel.

The price tag of around R50,000 (NEW)(or R6000 per channel) for 8 x 200W channels of this sound quality, is a true bargain in my eyes.

Versatility >>>
1) You have switches to set each channel input to XLR or RCA as u please.
2) Switches enabling u to bridge all or some channels.
3) It enables you to drive a 5.1.2 Atmos system (so 8 - 5=3 channels open) where the Atmos speakers may be driven by the decoding AVR, and then have a dedicated specialist music stereo pre-amp that feeds into 2 of the remaining 3 NuPrime channels to drive your specialist stereo music system. Then u could have a BD player feeding the AVR and a dedicated specialist reference transport with DAC feeding the music pre into the NuPrime. GREAT !!


Value >>>
1) This amp has no equal in this department at this price of R6,000 per channel.
2) Considering the early bird special price - even better. (Maybe I can get the one where the money was refunded)

Current end conclusion >>>
1) I bought 3. Should have bought 4.

Will do some more listening and report back.

Equipment used at the moment >>>
Oppo 95 into XLR Shunyata Research Zita Anaconda XLR into NuPrime MCH-K38 (not bridged) into Monster M1.2s speaker cable into Vivid K1's. All power cables Furutech.
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: BillyBawb on September 04, 2016, 11:25:51 AM
And BUMP
Title: Re: How do you like your new NuPrime?
Post by: Mervin on September 04, 2016, 11:45:47 AM
I am exited having a MCH-K38 in a box waiting for me to get back to SA.  I own so many NuPrime products but really is that good.