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joffieb:
What do you think of this?

https://www.soundguys.com/cable-myths-reviving-the-coathanger-test-23553/

Telephono:
Ha!

Reminded me of this hoary old chestnut.

http://matrixhifi.com/ENG_contenedor_ppec.htm

Francois:
Ai, what a difference I have made in people's lives.....yeah Im praising my own butt arse here....


Guys, Google and the internet made everyone EXPERTS, what BS. Listen for yourself, investigate claims people make YOURSELF, Come on man, explore and learn, don't follow, and FFS don't swallow everything "experts" put in your mouth!  :nutter:



I have shown to at least 30, yes THIRTY people this year alone what a difference the right cable makes to their systems. Yes, few were subtle, most were immediately audible and wow, three were so mind-blowing I had to stand back and ask WTF ?


Case in point: Klipsch La Scala (new), Leben CS300 and iFi NEO. I dumped a bunch of Interconnects with the client and waited for the verdict. Gosh was he spot on, ranked all 7 as most of the guys I know have. He is 71 years old, NOT an audiophile, just wanted the LAST system he would ever buy. He spends 3-5h EVERY day now listening.  :dop: , he is still in shock, never thought a properly selected cable can be so much better.


Ill say it plainly:


If you cannot hear a difference when the right (not PRICE) cables are put into your system, its your ears, or the source or lack of the systems ability to resolve the details.


Covid is over, you dont believe me ? Come visit, be HONEST, dump your EGO and come hear for yourself. I dont want your money, nor admiration, I just want to introduce you to something "mostly" unexplainable.  :thumbs:


Should you now go spend R120k on cables, HELL NO!! rather upgrade your system, it makes a vastly bigger difference  :mates: , leave cables to last...fine tuning.

goldfritter:

--- Quote from: joffieb on October 06, 2021, 11:05:40 PM ---What do you think of this?

https://www.soundguys.com/cable-myths-reviving-the-coathanger-test-23553/

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The fact that people were listening at home using their home systems means that the cables were not the only variable under review. People with better systems may have voted more strongly for one option than the other; it would be impossible to control for that. Heck, some may even have done the test on their phone speakers.

To do a reliable test you'd need to control all the variables other than the cable, and change only the cable when doing A/B comparisons, leaving the entire rest of the system the same. You'd also ideally need a large sample size to prove a difference that can't be attributable to luck or chance.

Francois:

TO NONE of the above posters....

Man, samples ? Controlled situations ? All the "clever" BS. Double blind tests. Any of you working for NASA or MIT ? All just crap to hide peoples inabilities to listen properly of deficiency's in their hearing, or the system under scrutiny. Yea I said it DEFICIENCIES in their HEARING!


And the blown up doll between the ears that is called the EGO.



Sit your butt down, simply change the cables and use the TWO most amazing instrument you have....your EARS!! Stuff Placebo! There is no Placebo involved if you can afford only R5k. For once forget about EVERYTHING and answer this damn simple question!


DID I HEAR A DIFFERENCE ?
DO I LIKE IT ?
IS MY SYSTEM SOUNDING BETTER OR WORSE ?


My God, the opinions and back and forth on this forum is like Democrats and Republicans ?


Can ANY person offer an opinion without running to a GURU, God, some wisearse salesman, YOUTUBE, the God GOOGLE ? Are the people so DUMB to NOT form their OWN opinion ?


Did the CD make my system better ? Yes, Can I afford it ? Yes, then buy the thing. Not better, walk ON, explore more. My God, is that so difficult ? If not, do you now advocate CD Players makes no difference ?
Did the sound change positive/negative when I replaced my speaker cable ? No, then walk ON, case closed. But dont now become an EXPERT and say cables makes no difference!?
Gosh that Snake Oil Francois says cables DO make a difference....Gosh he is talking crap, then go there and LISTEN...


then offer the opinion: I(ME), did/didnt hear a difference. FULLSTOP. Dont climb on your "mishoop"  :cr@p:  and cry to the world: "CABLES MAKES NO DIFFERENCE". "ALL AMP SOUND THE SAME". "HORNS ARE THE ONLY REAL SPEAKER".


or worse: "I WAS WRONG, THAT xxx MADE SUCH A DIFFERENCE"...the most difficult word for a human being to utter....


99% of the people, ME INCLUDED on this forum, dont have a fricking idea about the science in and around our hobby, Yeah so Im an indeed Electronic Engineer, but I STILL cant make up an ORIGINAL new design like Williamson, Nelson Pass, Koetsu or Wilson and SCHALK HAVENGA! That cheat John Nouwens ? Remember his amps ? Everybody goes Ooooooh, to a circuit from a 1964 book.... I checked yesterday, google EL84, EL34 schematics. HUNDREDS, and all basically the same....tweak here and there....
Any of you found a DIFFERENT way to build a class AB ? To strap in a Triode valve ? Use a 1940 radio valve in some for of small gain preamp ? Yeah we all "design" our output transformers according to a piece of software somebody ELSE wrote  :drool: , we "pick" out valves according to the manual  :BWAHAHAH:


Stop being CLEVA and listen. Man up and seek your OWN audio nirvana. Even if it means putting pebbles on you DAC for clarity  :thumbs:

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