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Let's talk modern music
« on: May 01, 2021, 07:53:26 PM »
Music is my first love.
I re-live important life milestones by listening to the music that are linked to those events stupidly oblivious to the many music appreciation impediments of audiophilia.

I count myself lucky. I was born in the mid 70's and 'discovered life' in the late 80's / early 90's when singer/song writers were the epitome of music and you were elevated based on your talent rather then the little clothes you wear.

In my days, the folks that made real music were amongst others:

Sprintsteen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrpXArn3hII

Knopfler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci3OyvBvWnQ

Gilmore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIaoQYUqcBQ

Henley:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxEcD4PCco

Folks that managed to tell stories with their music.

I listen to a lot of music - old and new.
I'm constantly looking for new blood that will follow in the footsteps of the great singer/song writers of the 70's/80's/90's.

To be honest, I'm either getting old or the real talent is being replaced by Instagram follower count. 
 
My list of REAL 'modern' talent who has managed to also cracked the popular music scene is limited. While there are many capable cover bands and many great song writers and even more brilliant instrumentalists, I have only managed to find a few modern performers that can both write a song, play an instrument and deliver it that have made me sit up and listen.

Sheeran:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtUIXnJKPgU

Bay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI0I1jGQpwg

Stapelton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBLruNfUqUs

and maybe Mayer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyr1FF_jWqo

So folks that can both write lyrics that mean something and can also perform said song to a level that induces musical nirvana.

Who am I missing here?

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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2021, 10:23:57 PM »
To me, there are plenty of hip-hop artists that fit your description - but as you mentioned, perhaps too alien to your current frame of reference. Here are some tracks from some relatively recent album purchases:

Billy Woods (with Moor Mother)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q67_fd7b8SU

Clipping:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0RYIIzsvFw

Aesop Rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f--QTXpb0QI

KA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjOke1fLoi0

Run the Jewels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dgH1mlXDhA
« Last Edit: May 01, 2021, 10:33:41 PM by KenMasters »

Offline Trompie67

Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2021, 07:20:44 AM »
I'd suggest starting a new profile on whatever streaming service you use, as the current one's algorithm is clearly not "discovering" new music for you!  :nutter:

Stapelton is your age, born 1978, He creates excellent music. Sheeran & Bay are doubtful at best, but, to each their own.

Also - why must the artist crack the popular scene? All that is, is cookie cutter crap. They all sound the same, with 3 or 4 different song writers spewing out junk for them to perform.

Try these (although I have no idea as to the age of each artist/track):

Foy Vance: https://youtu.be/hD5hIqeKNVE - this is the original, Sheeran does a half-arsed attempt at a cover.

Jacob Bryant: https://youtu.be/cCiS8VMxwfs

Godsmack: https://youtu.be/ng7QrYgdItQ

Steve Earle: https://youtu.be/xvaEJzoaYZk

Brad Paisley: https://youtu.be/IZbN_nmxAGk

Luke Combs: https://youtu.be/uXyxFMbqKYA

Sully Erna: https://youtu.be/S28nIDn682I

Chip Taylor: https://youtu.be/dt9GBafFzjE

The White Buffalo: https://youtu.be/trj5YM64na4

Uncle Lucius: https://youtu.be/pYdvxBxHX2U

and on & on & on.

Get off the popular bandwagon & there is a plethora of excellent singer/songwriters to discover, the list above barely scratches the surface.
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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2021, 10:50:23 AM »
I'd suggest starting a new profile on whatever streaming service you use, as the current one's algorithm is clearly not "discovering" new music for you! :nutter:

Stapelton is your age, born 1978, He creates excellent music. Sheeran & Bay are doubtful at best, but, to each their own.

Also - why must the artist crack the popular scene? All that is, is cookie cutter crap. They all sound the same, with 3 or 4 different song writers spewing out junk for them to perform.

Try these (although I have no idea as to the age of each artist/track):

Foy Vance: https://youtu.be/hD5hIqeKNVE - this is the original, Sheeran does a half-arsed attempt at a cover.

Jacob Bryant: https://youtu.be/cCiS8VMxwfs

Godsmack: https://youtu.be/ng7QrYgdItQ

Steve Earle: https://youtu.be/xvaEJzoaYZk

Brad Paisley: https://youtu.be/IZbN_nmxAGk

Luke Combs: https://youtu.be/uXyxFMbqKYA

Sully Erna: https://youtu.be/S28nIDn682I

Chip Taylor: https://youtu.be/dt9GBafFzjE

The White Buffalo: https://youtu.be/trj5YM64na4

Uncle Lucius: https://youtu.be/pYdvxBxHX2U

and on & on & on.

Get off the popular bandwagon & there is a plethora of excellent singer/songwriters to discover, the list above barely scratches the surface.

Wow. I did not expect such a passive aggressive response for a harmless statement and genuine question.

But, I see where I faltered in my attempt to gain opinions so let me try again.

Background: My son came to share some popular songs with me that his fiends are listening to off the top 40 hit parade. That led to this post / question.
Criteria: I am only referring to commercially successful music and by that I mean the music that is played on the general commercial radio stations and more specifically, the global top 40 (or similar genre neutral top hit list). I know very well that the most talented artists never achieve "commercial success" as defined by this criteria and I have no issue finding new music that satisfy my music taste.
Opinion: I was fortunate to have grown up in the 80's (my opinion but if I compare my life at age 13 with that of my son things were simpler back then).
Opinion but hard to dispute if you look at the facts: Songs that appeared on the hit parade back when I was a teenager were "mostly" written (words and music) and performed (vocals and instruments) by the same person (or members of a band). Think Queen, Springsteen, Dire Straits, Bon Jovi only as an example - there are plenty others.
Opinion: "Many" of the songs were what I considered "stories" - so the lyrics told of someone's life, a situation, an incident etc. Springsteen, Knopfler, Elton John, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell etc.
Opinion: If I look at what is in the top 40 parades these days (and over the past few years), the top artists are often only singers/dancers. Music is written by a separate writer, musical arrangement and instruments are done by other people etc. (think of the likes of Adele, any of the popular boy bands, many of the popular R&B acts etc).
Opinion: Popular songs (the ones that Mae the top 40 hit parade) have become less of a story based lyrics and more formulaic - some generic lyrics centred around a catchy chorus with a lot of repetitive words.

So my observation was that the popular charts are no longer dominated by do-it-all or mostly-do-it-all singer/songwriters/musicians but rather than performers and singers with the actual lyrics and creation of the song left to a production house that generate "catchy" tunes rather lyric driven music. <- my opinion of course.

As I them mentioned in my original post - there are artists who still follow the same approach and create the entire (or at least the most) of the song themselves AND the songs is based around lyrics that tell a story rather than just a catchy tune with some repetitive words thrown in for good measure. I am not saying that is the "only real music" and I am certainly not dissing people's music taste if they don't like this type of music. I am simply saying that what is popular with the new generation is changing and wanted to find out if it is still possible to achieve commercial success (top 40) by being a great songwriter and musician rather than just a performer with a pretty face and good dance moves.

Some recent commercial successes that fit the criteria are Eminem (although I don't recall ever seeing him play an instrument), Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, James Bay, John Mayer, John Legend. Again I'm not saying that this music is superior I am simply asking who else is out there that does it all?

Country Music generally satisfies the criteria i.e. someone pens the songs, the lyrics is a story - mostly romantic and the same person performs the track (vocals and instrument). This is however a closed genre and not many of these songs are on genre neutral global top 40 hits.
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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2021, 11:28:41 AM »
Here is last week's Top 40 (showing what I could fit on one page).



I have never head of most of them except for Bieber and Tiesto, neither of them fit the criteria although I know Bieber plays the drums and I have seen him strum a guitar before but that is not the type of music he makes and Tiesto is EDM so also does not fit the criteria.

Which of these people write their own songs, play the instrument and performs the song? Also if I look att he titles of the songs, none really strike me a something with complex lyrics.

So my conclusion is that the type of musician you need to be to be able to hit the top 40 charts is much different to 20 to 30 years ago.

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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2021, 12:42:54 PM »
The top 40 died the day the macarena featured on it.  :giggle:
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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2021, 12:58:57 PM »
Wow. I did not expect such a passive aggressive response for a harmless statement and genuine question.

But, I see where I faltered in my attempt to gain opinions so let me try again.

Background: My son came to share some popular songs with me that his fiends are listening to off the top 40 hit parade. That led to this post / question.
Criteria: I am only referring to commercially successful music and by that I mean the music that is played on the general commercial radio stations and more specifically, the global top 40 (or similar genre neutral top hit list). I know very well that the most talented artists never achieve "commercial success" as defined by this criteria and I have no issue finding new music that satisfy my music taste.
Opinion: I was fortunate to have grown up in the 80's (my opinion but if I compare my life at age 13 with that of my son things were simpler back then).
Opinion but hard to dispute if you look at the facts: Songs that appeared on the hit parade back when I was a teenager were "mostly" written (words and music) and performed (vocals and instruments) by the same person (or members of a band). Think Queen, Springsteen, Dire Straits, Bon Jovi only as an example - there are plenty others.
Opinion: "Many" of the songs were what I considered "stories" - so the lyrics told of someone's life, a situation, an incident etc. Springsteen, Knopfler, Elton John, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell etc.
Opinion: If I look at what is in the top 40 parades these days (and over the past few years), the top artists are often only singers/dancers. Music is written by a separate writer, musical arrangement and instruments are done by other people etc. (think of the likes of Adele, any of the popular boy bands, many of the popular R&B acts etc).
Opinion: Popular songs (the ones that Mae the top 40 hit parade) have become less of a story based lyrics and more formulaic - some generic lyrics centred around a catchy chorus with a lot of repetitive words.

So my observation was that the popular charts are no longer dominated by do-it-all or mostly-do-it-all singer/songwriters/musicians but rather than performers and singers with the actual lyrics and creation of the song left to a production house that generate "catchy" tunes rather lyric driven music. <- my opinion of course.

As I them mentioned in my original post - there are artists who still follow the same approach and create the entire (or at least the most) of the song themselves AND the songs is based around lyrics that tell a story rather than just a catchy tune with some repetitive words thrown in for good measure. I am not saying that is the "only real music" and I am certainly not dissing people's music taste if they don't like this type of music. I am simply saying that what is popular with the new generation is changing and wanted to find out if it is still possible to achieve commercial success (top 40) by being a great songwriter and musician rather than just a performer with a pretty face and good dance moves.

Some recent commercial successes that fit the criteria are Eminem (although I don't recall ever seeing him play an instrument), Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, James Bay, John Mayer, John Legend. Again I'm not saying that this music is superior I am simply asking who else is out there that does it all?

Country Music generally satisfies the criteria i.e. someone pens the songs, the lyrics is a story - mostly romantic and the same person performs the track (vocals and instrument). This is however a closed genre and not many of these songs are on genre neutral global top 40 hits.

I absolutely agree with you Drifter. Itís a trend thatís more than a decade in motion now, even going on two decades. FWIW, I didnít perceive Trompies reply as passive aggressive. Maybe a tad condescending, but I donít think intentionally so.

As for modern music, and the top 40 type rating, it is a sorry state of affairs. But just as any democracy, itís those who vote that steer the result. It is of course the youth who vote the loudest by sheer number of participants. Us (almost) toppies, have better things to do- such as feeding and clothing and housing said delinquent youths. :giggle:

Fortunately, streaming has brought balance to the madness. The youth can have their stupid top 40. Youíll find me on the lesser worn path.
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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2021, 12:59:33 PM »
As time's moved on, the music industry has just become more efficient on zoning in on what makes a song a hit. You also have to remember that back in the day, what was charting made up pretty much all the music that was out there, today that's not the case. It's just a different landscape. Also, the 80s was filled with garbage music too, Tiffany anyone?

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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2021, 03:50:31 PM »
Wow. I did not expect such a passive aggressive response for a harmless statement and genuine question.

But, I see where I faltered in my attempt to gain opinions so let me try again.

Background: My son came to share some popular songs with me that his fiends are listening to off the top 40 hit parade. That led to this post / question.
Criteria: I am only referring to commercially successful music and by that I mean the music that is played on the general commercial radio stations and more specifically, the global top 40 (or similar genre neutral top hit list). I know very well that the most talented artists never achieve "commercial success" as defined by this criteria and I have no issue finding new music that satisfy my music taste.
Opinion: I was fortunate to have grown up in the 80's (my opinion but if I compare my life at age 13 with that of my son things were simpler back then).
Opinion but hard to dispute if you look at the facts: Songs that appeared on the hit parade back when I was a teenager were "mostly" written (words and music) and performed (vocals and instruments) by the same person (or members of a band). Think Queen, Springsteen, Dire Straits, Bon Jovi only as an example - there are plenty others.
Opinion: "Many" of the songs were what I considered "stories" - so the lyrics told of someone's life, a situation, an incident etc. Springsteen, Knopfler, Elton John, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell etc.
Opinion: If I look at what is in the top 40 parades these days (and over the past few years), the top artists are often only singers/dancers. Music is written by a separate writer, musical arrangement and instruments are done by other people etc. (think of the likes of Adele, any of the popular boy bands, many of the popular R&B acts etc).
Opinion: Popular songs (the ones that Mae the top 40 hit parade) have become less of a story based lyrics and more formulaic - some generic lyrics centred around a catchy chorus with a lot of repetitive words.

So my observation was that the popular charts are no longer dominated by do-it-all or mostly-do-it-all singer/songwriters/musicians but rather than performers and singers with the actual lyrics and creation of the song left to a production house that generate "catchy" tunes rather lyric driven music. <- my opinion of course.

As I them mentioned in my original post - there are artists who still follow the same approach and create the entire (or at least the most) of the song themselves AND the songs is based around lyrics that tell a story rather than just a catchy tune with some repetitive words thrown in for good measure. I am not saying that is the "only real music" and I am certainly not dissing people's music taste if they don't like this type of music. I am simply saying that what is popular with the new generation is changing and wanted to find out if it is still possible to achieve commercial success (top 40) by being a great songwriter and musician rather than just a performer with a pretty face and good dance moves.

Some recent commercial successes that fit the criteria are Eminem (although I don't recall ever seeing him play an instrument), Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, James Bay, John Mayer, John Legend. Again I'm not saying that this music is superior I am simply asking who else is out there that does it all?

Country Music generally satisfies the criteria i.e. someone pens the songs, the lyrics is a story - mostly romantic and the same person performs the track (vocals and instrument). This is however a closed genre and not many of these songs are on genre neutral global top 40 hits.

You read it wrong, no passive aggressive. But you have also now explained yourself a lot better!

Of the list you posted I've only ever heard of Bieber. The rest mean nothing to me. A google & a quick listen to some affirms why I do not know them. It is rubbish to my ears.

Our household must be a bit odd, as my son (20) listens to rock & metal, from 1960's to current. My daughter (17) listens to rock, blues, classical & some metal. She's heard of some of the names on your list, but thinks that they are all more social media personas rather than actual musicians/groups. She doesn't listen to any of them either.

I think every generation has their own music, some is great, some is good & some is crap. 1980's - Bananarama anyone, 1990's Spice Girls?  :puke:

Current hits are driven by playlist suggestions & social media hype more than by purchases; suggest the same song to millions of people & you can be certain some will enjoy it enough for it to feature as popular & rise up the charts.
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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2021, 08:24:28 AM »
The only one on that list i enjoy is Dua Lipa. Her new Future Nostalgia album has a disco vibe to it which I enjoy.

Other than that I feel the same. Im in my mid 30's All my friends listen to this new stuff and they think anything with a fast beat is great.

My personal tastes are pretty wide stretched from Dire straits to Diana Krall to Metallica to Taylor Swift then onto some awesome country music

It all depends on what mood I'm in. But this is a great thread. The top 40 today sucks.

One of my top 40 loving friends said to me he doesn't get my taste in music because it sounds good on an amazing system doesn't make it a good song. I found this statement to ring true a bit as he is an avid music lover. He doesn't care if he hears the songs he likes on a clock radio or on a 1million rand system its the same to him.

I found my taste in music changed a bit to the acoustic side because it sounds better on my system.......i guess that's the difference between an Audiophile and a music lover.

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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2021, 07:15:10 PM »
I regard (no order of preference) Sheeran, Shawn Mendez, Lorde, Gaga, Lana Del Rey, P!nk, Taylor Swift, Sara Bareilles, Alicia Keys, the Eilish siblings to be pretty talented and fair comparison with the mainstream of earlier generations. And yes, a lot of things have changed.. mostly the sheer volume of mediocre, or just bad pop.
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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2021, 08:16:13 PM »
Every generation and every year has its share of good, bad and short lived/long term artists.  Just depends on where you listen for inspiration or where you are that blasts you with whatever is currently popular.  Ed Sheehan was already playing stadia and had had top ten songs around the world before it was pointed out to me that the song Iíd just heard on the car stereo was by him.  Didnít realise Bieber was still popular and although Iíve heard of a few of the people on that list, I wouldnít be able to guess which song was by whom.

I donít want some glorified record mogul sending me a list of what they think I should listen to at any time I feel like music, I want to either listen to something I know I like and thus have, or pootle about on bandcamp listening to tracks here and there that I may like.  Other than that, a mate in the UK keeps me up to date about stuff he has bought that I might like, and a few radio shows.  Think Iíve bought more new music this year than the last few (all albums)

Oddfellows Casino
Dry Cleaning (terrible name, good band)
Godspeed You Black Enperor (not new to me admittedly)
SAULT
Altin Gun
Black Country New Road (another terrible name)
NYX and Gazelle Twin
Camera (another old favourite)
Hey Colossus
Moon Goose
Beautify Junkyards
Conny Frischauf
Trees Speak
ZWERM
Fair Mothers
and a few LPs (Indaba Is is currently the groove)

Also hunting down a few more in coming weeks.
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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2021, 08:56:34 PM »
Oh and just added another to my collection:

The Lucid Dream - they seem to have reinvented themselves as the E gurning psychedelic offspring of ĎTechniqueí era New Order and Seefeel.  This one really bounces along.
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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2021, 09:32:44 PM »
So my conclusion is that the type of musician you need to be to be able to hit the top 40 charts is much different to 20 to 30 years ago.

Drifter, not to be pedantic, but you don't need to be any kind of musician to make the top 40. That much has been clear for the last couple of decades.

And that's not necessarily  bad.

Imagine the first guys moving from Bach ( all mathematics and counterpoint ) to Mozart ( all saccharine melody and comparative  musical mayhem ) in 100 yrs.

Do you think they had some existential musical crises?

You bet....

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Re: Let's talk modern music
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2021, 08:10:17 AM »
Here is last week's Top 40 (showing what I could fit on one page).

Look out for Olivia Rodrigo, drivers license is quite an amazing song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmDBbnmKpqQ

She had two songs on the Billboard Top Ten 3 weeks ago (drivers license and deja vu):

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNk5QHjr_mY/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cii6ruuycQA



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