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Offline BiZKiT

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2019, 11:48:30 AM »
Lekker, looking forward to seeing a demo somewhere

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I can arrange that for you :dop:

Offline naks

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2020, 09:55:28 AM »
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Offline KenMasters

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2020, 11:34:09 AM »
They now have it up for pre-order on some local sites, exactly the same price as the Denon X8500H, release is scheduled for Q2. Like the Denon, it's still HDMI 2.0, unlike the Denon, only one of its HDMI outs is 2.0 which is a deal breaker for me. Hoping when the HDMI 2.1 upgrade board comes out both will be HDMI 2.1.

Offline BiZKiT

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2020, 04:54:30 AM »
They now have it up for pre-order on some local sites, exactly the same price as the Denon X8500H, release is scheduled for Q2. Like the Denon, it's still HDMI 2.0, unlike the Denon, only one of its HDMI outs is 2.0 which is a deal breaker for me. Hoping when the HDMI 2.1 upgrade board comes out both will be HDMI 2.1.

Only place the Denon wins is all the options and channels but on sound and power its not even close. I love both but personally im going for the NAD.

Offline KenMasters

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2020, 07:54:25 AM »
Only place the Denon wins is all the options and channels but on sound and power its not even close. I love both but personally im going for the NAD.

Says who? There's not one NAD AVR that matches a Denon in its price bracket's measured output - and going by the stated specs, this doesn't appear to be a powerhouse either. There's also the question of output linearity, which the class D nature of the NAD calls into question. I'll wait on independent testing, thank you.

Offline BiZKiT

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2020, 08:39:10 AM »
Says who? There's not one NAD AVR that matches a Denon in its price bracket's measured output - and going by the stated specs, this doesn't appear to be a powerhouse either. There's also the question of output linearity, which the class D nature of the NAD calls into question. I'll wait on independent testing, thank you.

Until you have had both dont comment. Specs on paper is nothing when it comes to Nad and everyone that has had one knows this. The Nad 777 outperforms my Rotel class AB in every way.

Offline Carnajo

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2020, 08:46:33 AM »
Until you have had both dont comment. Specs on paper is nothing when it comes to Nad and everyone that has had one knows this. The Nad 777 outperforms my Rotel class AB in every way.


For what it is worth I can confirm this with respect to my NAD T747 vs the Denon I "upgraded" to. I upgraded to get Atmos and may just end up converting the NAD to a power amp instead of selling it.

Offline KenMasters

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2020, 09:18:12 AM »
Until you have had both dont comment. Specs on paper is nothing when it comes to Nad and everyone that has had one knows this. The Nad 777 outperforms my Rotel class AB in every way.

You don't have either, either. Did you compare the T777 to the 7200WA? That would be the comparable Denon model price wise.*
I don't know what you're getting upset about regardless, I'm considering both AVRs. We'll see how the T778 performs after its released.


*EDIT: I've got some numbers for you:

T777 - 110W 2 channels driven continuously into 8-ohm
X7200WA - 145W 2 channels driven continuously into 8-ohm

Frequency response is also not as flat:

T777:        -0.8 dB at 20 Hz and 1 dB at 20 kHz
X7200WA: +0.01 dB at 20 Hz and 0.65 dB at 20 kHz

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-nad-t777-avr.9210/
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/denon-avr-x7200w-av-receiver-test-bench
« Last Edit: January 27, 2020, 09:49:40 AM by KenMasters »

Offline BiZKiT

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2020, 11:09:27 AM »
You don't have either, either. Did you compare the T777 to the 7200WA? That would be the comparable Denon model price wise.*
I don't know what you're getting upset about regardless, I'm considering both AVRs. We'll see how the T778 performs after its released.


*EDIT: I've got some numbers for you:

T777 - 110W 2 channels driven continuously into 8-ohm
X7200WA - 145W 2 channels driven continuously into 8-ohm

Not upset at all and yes i have both. I still sell more Denon then Nad im just saying that Nad is way above Denon on sound quality.

Frequency response is also not as flat:

T777:        -0.8 dB at 20 Hz and 1 dB at 20 kHz
X7200WA: +0.01 dB at 20 Hz and 0.65 dB at 20 kHz

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-nad-t777-avr.9210/
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/denon-avr-x7200w-av-receiver-test-bench

Offline KenMasters

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2020, 11:21:52 AM »
Not upset at all and yes i have both. I still sell more Denon then Nad im just saying that Nad is way above Denon on sound quality.

You can't have both, since the T778 has yet to be released.

From objective testing, it doesn't appear NAD is way above Denon in sound quality. The X8500H is a very well specified machine, better on a number of fronts than the X7200WA before it. I don't need all those channels though, and I like the smaller form factor and inclusion of Dirac with the T778. Right now though, we know nothing about its actual performance, most notably, how well it handles impedance swings, given its class D. On the other hand, the X8500H has been put through its paces and has come out the other end with flying colours, it's the NAD that has yet to prove itself.

I'm not loyal to either brand, I only care which will offer the best bang for my buck.

Offline BiZKiT

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2020, 01:40:27 PM »
You can't have both, since the T778 has yet to be released.

From objective testing, it doesn't appear NAD is way above Denon in sound quality. The X8500H is a very well specified machine, better on a number of fronts than the X7200WA before it. I don't need all those channels though, and I like the smaller form factor and inclusion of Dirac with the T778. Right now though, we know nothing about its actual performance, most notably, how well it handles impedance swings, given its class D. On the other hand, the X8500H has been put through its paces and has come out the other end with flying colours, it's the NAD that has yet to prove itself.

I'm not loyal to either brand, I only care which will offer the best bang for my buck.

Ja ok it will be with me on Friday if you want to be technically correct. My reference will be directly with the 777 that im using in my cinema now. I still love the Denon dont get me wrong it just does not sound the same as the Nad. Allot of that can also be down to Dirac :nfi:

Offline naks

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2020, 04:42:44 PM »
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Offline BiZKiT

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2020, 03:12:31 AM »
For those who do not understand why Nad rate there power lower here is a good read.
https://support.nadelectronics.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000158988-NAD-Full-Disclosure-Power

I was the same and did not even think it will come close to my current setup and guess what, it destroyed my current setup. Anybody that wants to have a demo and see for themself is welcome. I still have both up and running.

Soon im building a new room that will be running all Bentley and Nad :groovy:

Offline KenMasters

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2020, 09:23:52 AM »
For those who do not understand why Nad rate there power lower here is a good read.
https://support.nadelectronics.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000158988-NAD-Full-Disclosure-Power

I was the same and did not even think it will come close to my current setup and guess what, it destroyed my current setup. Anybody that wants to have a demo and see for themself is welcome. I still have both up and running.

Soon im building a new room that will be running all Bentley and Nad :groovy:

That's nice, but the measured output doesn't stack up against the likes of Denon either.

Cheaper x3400H vs NAD T758:

Denon - 0.1% distortion at 123.0 watts (Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm)
NAD - 0.1% distortion at 100.6 watts (Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm)

Denon - 0.1% distortion at 72.7 watts (Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm)
NAD - 0.1% distortion at 66.3 watts (Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm)

Frequency response is yet again also more linear with Denon.

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/nad-t758-v3-av-receiver-review-test-bench
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/denon-avr-x3400h-av-receiver-review-test-bench
« Last Edit: January 28, 2020, 09:34:17 AM by KenMasters »

Offline BiZKiT

Re: NAD Previews T778 Reference AVR
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2020, 11:08:02 AM »
That's nice, but the measured output doesn't stack up against the likes of Denon either.

Cheaper x3400H vs NAD T758:

Denon - 0.1% distortion at 123.0 watts (Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm)
NAD - 0.1% distortion at 100.6 watts (Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm)

Denon - 0.1% distortion at 72.7 watts (Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm)
NAD - 0.1% distortion at 66.3 watts (Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm)

Frequency response is yet again also more linear with Denon.

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/nad-t758-v3-av-receiver-review-test-bench
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/denon-avr-x3400h-av-receiver-review-test-bench

You really need to experience one to understand that is the only way. Another big plus on the Nad is BluOs and MQA that the Denon does not have. Not to mention Dirac as standard.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2020, 11:15:25 AM by BiZKiT »