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Re: So loadshedding is back
« Reply #105 on: December 06, 2018, 05:01:37 PM »
One population group who will be hurt badly if SA gets an IMF loan is the poor.

I don't doubt that the Social Grant will stop dead in its tracks, this is one aspect of socialism that the IMF won't tolerate.   While there are many people who genuinely require some financial assistance, there are a great majority too lazy to work or get a job
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Re: So loadshedding is back
« Reply #106 on: December 06, 2018, 05:07:48 PM »
I don't want to read that, [PS: @Curlycat , the link you posted] but once or twice in this thread I was thinking about how the media seems to talk only about the coal logistics and not any other factors / other reasons.

However, the cost of power outages affects much more than just Whites.  And the implications in terms of tax revenue, that's another story. (I mean it's not as clear as it might appear to be; it might not be simple like being concerned about that loss of tax revenue.  Mugabe is proof, and that half the population continued to support him.  Any of the political players can be saying one thing but actually feeling something else, and that subtext is somehow understood and liked by many.)

Anyway, don't just dismiss the factor of incompetence.  Mervin said it would be interesting to read any secret documents / "classified reports." I think even those would not cover everything, would not mention all factors. When they pretty much destroyed a power station some years ago, an error/misjudgement during the testing after maintenance, I eventually read, on some forum, inclduing comments and explanation from one or two former engineers who had relocated to USA. I don't remember the details, but the details are not important, when you've got the gist of it.
Which reminds me, DENEL has been stuffed up too, maybe set for liquidation, workers protesting against retrenchments, SACP saying it is an important asset for the country.
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Re: So loadshedding is back
« Reply #107 on: December 06, 2018, 05:13:47 PM »
One population group who will be hurt badly if SA gets an IMF loan is the poor.

I don't doubt that the Social Grant will stop dead in its tracks, this is one aspect of socialism that the IMF won't tolerate.   While there are many people who genuinely require some financial assistance, there are a great majority too lazy to work or get a job
It was pointed out [to me and others in a fb group] that international loans (IMF or otherwise, I don't remember, but I think it was) actually begun during the FW De Klerk time.  The context was how international loan debt had increased since [i think] mid-to-late 1980s.  *And social welfare /etc. payments.*

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Re: So loadshedding is back
« Reply #108 on: December 06, 2018, 05:32:12 PM »
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Simply cannot afford it, means further [international] loans.
IMF etc., theories, who might benefit from collapsed economies etc., is another story, beyond the scope here.
Those who have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
International financiers and so on. They do not lose, overall. They manage the game. (Refer to "war for gold" there too.)

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Re: So loadshedding is back
« Reply #109 on: December 06, 2018, 06:27:52 PM »
... While there are many people who genuinely require some financial assistance, there are a great majority too lazy to work or get a job
:ROFLMAO:

Right on the dot Chris.
Those requiring assistance would be just dandy if they had a job.
The "too lazy to work" ... are, sadly, the employed ones. Most of them by Eskom, Telkom, and many other state, regional and municipal "enterprises" specialising in daylight robbery and pocket stuffing using as little effort as possible.
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Re: So loadshedding is back
« Reply #110 on: December 06, 2018, 08:39:14 PM »
:ROFLMAO:

Right on the dot Chris.
Those requiring assistance would be just dandy if they had a job.
The "too lazy to work" ... are, sadly, the employed ones. Most of them by Eskom, Telkom, and many other state, regional and municipal "enterprises" specialising in daylight robbery and pocket stuffing using as little effort as possible.
Just to point out. Telkom is not state owned and has never been bailed out. Incompetent yes but no scandals I am aware of.
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Re: So loadshedding is back
« Reply #111 on: December 07, 2018, 09:23:10 AM »
Incompetence, senior/executive management, but the technical side has always been pretty good. Good extensive training and development, friend has been involved in it most of his time there, has worked at Telkom since he was about 20, for about 40 years.

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Re: So loadshedding is back
« Reply #112 on: December 07, 2018, 09:34:14 AM »
Incompetence, senior/executive management, but the technical side has always been pretty good. Good extensive training and development, friend has been involved in it most of his time there, has worked at Telkom since he was about 20, for about 40 years.


I'm heavily involved in enterprise voice in my place of work and frequently interact with Telkom/OpenServe's top engineers at the NOC. They are TOP SHELF guys with vast knowledge and vast experience. The problem is, they are reaching retirement/early-retirement age and I've seen little succession planning to maintain that level of expertise.
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Re: So loadshedding is back
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Re: So loadshedding is back
« Reply #114 on: December 07, 2018, 02:29:48 PM »
In the word : Scent, is it the S or the C that is silent?

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