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Offline Nidri

Router / Internet Upgrade
« on: October 14, 2018, 10:34:34 AM »
When I first got a fibre line (100/100) I bought the following equipment to get started:

TP-Link C2 'Archer' Dual Band AC750 Gigabit Router. (https://www.tp-link.com/za/products/details/cat-9_Archer-C2.html#overview)
TP-Link TL-WA850RE 300Mbps Universal Wi-Fi Range Extender. (https://www.tp-link.com/za/products/details/cat-10_TL-WA850RE.html)

It's worked fine, mostly, but lately the (by now out-of-warranty) router has become unreliable. From time to time, the 5Ghz radio stops working abruptly so it defaults to the 2.4Ghz band. Sometimes a reboot brings it back, sometimes it doesn't. Or it just comes back spontaneously. I also upgraded my line to 200/200, however the router occasionally gets throttled back down to 100/100 speeds for no apparent reason (which a reboot always fixes).

My intermittent issues with the TP-Link router has therefore motivated me to upgrade my router to something more reliable and perhaps more powerful (why not) and deserving of the fibre-y goodness.

So I decided to keep the extender, but get a new main router.
However, while doing research I stumbled onto this thread about mesh networks (which is all new to me):

(https://www.avforums.co.za/index.php/topic,69177.0.html)

General consensus seems to be that the Ubiquity UniFy and AmpliFy products are really good. In addition I read that any 'extenders' you add to the network end up slowing the whole network down (also new information to me).

So now I have a few questions about Ubiquiti for the AVF networking experts:

1. Can products from these two ranges work together? I.e. AmpliFy HD as Router, with UniFy AC Pro as 'extender'?
2. Is it better to have an Ethernet switchbox* before the wifi router, i.e. so that my Mac Mini (Roon Core), PS4 (Netflix, Gaming) and Xbox One (Gaming) get a more 'direct' line to the Internet?
3. Will I get better results for my use case from, let's say, an Asus AiMesh setup (e.g. ASUS RT-AC88U + ASUS RT-AC66U)?

General Requirements, in order of importance, would be:
1. Reliability/Stability.
2. Performance.
3. Expandability/Future-proofing.

Specific Requirements:
1. Any extra Access Points (i.e. separate to the main router) should have at least one Ethernet port (for connection to, for example, an RPi/DigiOne Roon Endpoint in a different room, which only connects via RJ45, with no wireless ability).

What's the best way to go?


* (https://www.takealot.com/ubiquiti-edge-router-x-4-port-gigabit-router/PLID43545086)
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Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2018, 11:15:36 AM »
The equipment you suggest is just fine

If there are sufficient ports on the router, you won't really gain anything, apart from extra ports, by adding a switch
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Offline Nidri

Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2018, 08:21:00 PM »
Thanks Chris.

I almost pulled the trigger on the Amplify HD, but then I read that it has (had?) Ethernet issues.
Specifically that it somehow limits throughput on the Ethernet ports.
(https://www.reddit.com/r/AmpliFi/comments/6aeufq/full_ethernet_speed_troughput_is_only_available/)
(https://community.amplifi.com/topic/459/amplifi-hd-doesn-t-pass-gigabit-speeds)

That doesn't sound reassuring.

So after doing a lot of reading I'm thinking I should just buy a 'regular' router, but one with mesh capability.
So I can add other routers later down the line as my needs expand.
For example the Asus models.

So maybe start off with an ASUS RT-AC68U
(https://www.takealot.com/asus-rt-ac68u-ac1900-dual-band-wi-fi-gigabit-fibre-ready-router/PLID40849025?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxeyanfyH3gIVk4bVCh2TJASLEAQYASABEgI3V_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)

then later I could always add a faster model e.g. RT-AC88U (and move the RT-AC68U to a secondary location)
(https://www.takealot.com/asus-rt-ac88u-ac3100-dual-band-wi-fi-gigabit-fibre-ready-gaming/PLID41710993)

and run the two together as a mesh network (if required).

Any thoughts?

Is Netgear also a good (better?) option?

(Obviously I've gone off TP-Link with the 5GHz band failing on the Archer C2.)
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Offline scrarfussi

Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2018, 01:24:45 AM »
Mesh works well where its difficult to pull a cable
90% of the time  i recommend pull a cable  use a edgerouter

https://www.takealot.com/ubiquiti-edge-router-x-4-port-gigabit-router/PLID43545086

and one of those unifi access points but hardwired
that way you get the most throughput

as for mesh i have tested the
https://www.takealot.com/ubiquiti-amplifi-hd-home-wi-fi-router/PLID44893036

with two of these
https://www.takealot.com/ubiquiti-amplifi-hd-mesh-point-repeater/PLID44893035
puling a cable was gonna be too much of a nightmare throughput was good
they just worked


Personally i prefer these guys on mesh
https://pclinkshop.com/products/grandstream-gwn7600-mid-tier-w33681?variant=8565708980268
the first one has to be hardwired to the router

same  scenario pulling a cable was a pain i got amazing results  a space that was covere with one access point and two repeaters was covered by just two of these units


when it comes to routers

nothing beats the ubiquiti and mikrotik stuff at the lower price point
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Offline jasondeklerk

Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2018, 03:41:35 PM »
Mesh works well where its difficult to pull a cable
90% of the time  i recommend pull a cable  use a edgerouter

https://www.takealot.com/ubiquiti-edge-router-x-4-port-gigabit-router/PLID43545086

and one of those unifi access points but hardwired
that way you get the most throughput

as for mesh i have tested the
https://www.takealot.com/ubiquiti-amplifi-hd-home-wi-fi-router/PLID44893036

with two of these
https://www.takealot.com/ubiquiti-amplifi-hd-mesh-point-repeater/PLID44893035
puling a cable was gonna be too much of a nightmare throughput was good
they just worked


Personally i prefer these guys on mesh
https://pclinkshop.com/products/grandstream-gwn7600-mid-tier-w33681?variant=8565708980268
the first one has to be hardwired to the router

same  scenario pulling a cable was a pain i got amazing results  a space that was covere with one access point and two repeaters was covered by just two of these units


when it comes to routers

nothing beats the ubiquiti and mikrotik stuff at the lower price point

I use ubiquiti  and very very happy.  :dop:

Offline Merlin-HD

Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2018, 03:07:13 PM »
Read about PFSENSE  Firewall and SNORT ( 29$ / year) and then use your current adsl router in BRIDGE mode if you want MORE security.. if you google "backdoors in tp-link modems routers you will find alot of sites saying and to your horror has backdours built into the os on most adsl / internet routers /modems .. running PFSENSE or most of the other available Firewalls makes your Internet a Lot more secure than just the avarage adsl modem or wifi router setup. Use a VPN like Nord/Express on the PFSENSE Firewall or behind it from your Linux/windows PC's and you are much better off than just a bland adsl modem.

Offline Hannesking

Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2020, 01:35:48 PM »
Get rid of "WiFi extenders" you just take a bad signal and repeat it.. rather use multiple wired Ap's

Offline kamikazi

Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2020, 03:04:38 PM »
Is the firmware up to date on your TP-link router? Sometimes all it takes is a buggy firmware update to render your router useless. Sometimes good to revert to older stable firmware, but also depends on whether security issues are addressed. I believe there are some nice 3rd party firmware (WRT) for most TP-link routers too?

Offline Frank007301

Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2020, 03:17:26 PM »
Thanks Chris.

I almost pulled the trigger on the Amplify HD, but then I read that it has (had?) Ethernet issues.
Specifically that it somehow limits throughput on the Ethernet ports.
(https://www.reddit.com/r/AmpliFi/comments/6aeufq/full_ethernet_speed_troughput_is_only_available/)
(https://community.amplifi.com/topic/459/amplifi-hd-doesn-t-pass-gigabit-speeds)

That doesn't sound reassuring.

So after doing a lot of reading I'm thinking I should just buy a 'regular' router, but one with mesh capability.
So I can add other routers later down the line as my needs expand.
For example the Asus models.

So maybe start off with an ASUS RT-AC68U
(https://www.takealot.com/asus-rt-ac68u-ac1900-dual-band-wi-fi-gigabit-fibre-ready-router/PLID40849025?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxeyanfyH3gIVk4bVCh2TJASLEAQYASABEgI3V_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)

then later I could always add a faster model e.g. RT-AC88U (and move the RT-AC68U to a secondary location)
(https://www.takealot.com/asus-rt-ac88u-ac3100-dual-band-wi-fi-gigabit-fibre-ready-gaming/PLID41710993)

and run the two together as a mesh network (if required).

Any thoughts?

Is Netgear also a good (better?) option?

(Obviously I've gone off TP-Link with the 5GHz band failing on the Archer C2.)

I have used an Amplifi HD on a 1gbps line with no issues. Those articles you have posted are from 3years and 2 years ago. If there had been issues they have long been sorted out.

I liked Ubiquiti so much i went from Amplifi to Unifi and now have the Unifi Dream Machine Pro which is a beast.

You wont go wrong with Ubiquiti.
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Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2020, 03:20:41 PM »
This is a 2 year old thread that was "resurrected" by user Hannesking.
As a matter of fact, I see that he has done this with quite a few old threads.

He started today on 0 posts and have done 24 so far. Response posts vary from a single sentence to a single word.
I sense a user pushing for 50 posts in a single day. Mods should be all over him like a bad rash.

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Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2020, 04:27:48 PM »
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Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2020, 06:27:26 PM »
This is a 2 year old thread that was "resurrected" by user Hannesking.
As a matter of fact, I see that he has done this with quite a few old threads.

He started today on 0 posts and have done 24 5 so far. Response posts vary from a single sentence to a single word.
I sense a user pushing for 50 posts in a single day. Mods should be all over him like a bad rash.
There fixed it  >:D
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Offline RaWKiS_CT

Re: Router / Internet Upgrade
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2020, 06:42:38 AM »
I use the Amplifi HD system and have had nothing but rock solid wifi. I use and recommend rather using a second router as a meshpoint as it gives you 4 ethernet points at each mesh location, allows you to do ethernet back haul to the mesh location and the price difference between a router and the mesh repeaters is negligible. Super easy to setup and configure. I was up and running in a couple of minutes. At any given time i have at least 25 devices connected (ip cameras, streaming devices, smart devices/sensors/lights ect) and never have issues.