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ifi iDSD Pro
« on: August 26, 2018, 10:21:10 PM »
I was very apprehensive ordering this little beast. I knew there are some review that are out there that praises it. Some go as crazy as to compare it with DAC's like the Chord DAVE and EMMLabs DAC's  :nutter:


The Headphome amp is already being touted as brilliant. A small step down from the iCAN professional headphone amplifier


Ill put it like this. I HAVE the EMMLAbs XDS1 V2 here. It has been my benchmark for ANY comparison. Beaten ONLY by the dCS Vivaldi...


and now THIS DAC.  :facepalm: :sweat:


My reference speakers for the past year was Sonus Amati's (all sold), the Franko Serblin masterpiece..... THIS dac brings up the B&W800D to the same level. Gosh I can only imagine if I had the Homage at hand to compare.


The three output mode are masterpieces. The SS is crystal clear and super detail, the middle valve setting the best to me. The Valve + lush and incredibly huge.


Another two in the way....I didnt expect such a high end bargain
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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2018, 10:21:44 PM »
I was born analog, not digit by digit....

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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2018, 10:22:06 PM »
I was born analog, not digit by digit....

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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2018, 10:23:41 PM »

Sample rates:   PCM up to 768kHz
DSD up to 49.152MHz (DSD 1024)
DXD and double-speed DXD (2xDXD)


Inputs:   USB (required for DSD, DXD and sample rates above 192KHz)
AES3 (XLR – single link)
S/PDIF (coaxial/optical combo)
BNC multifunction (S/PDIF in or sync input)


Outputs:   Balanced XLR at 4.6V (+15.5dBu – HiFi) or 10V (+22dBu – Pro)
Single-Ended RCA at 2.3V (HiFi) or 5V (Pro)


Headphones 6.3mm & SE 3.5mm Jack at 0.55V/2.1V/5V
Headphones BAL 2.5mm Jack at 1.13V/4.6V/10V
Headphones out 1,500mW RMS X 2 @ 64 ohm, 4,000mW max. 2 X @ 16 Ohm


Volume control:   Balanced (6-gang) Alps potentiometer, motorised with IR remote control
XLR/RCA outputs can be selected as fixed level or adjusted


6.3mm headphone jack is always adjusted


Other Functions:   Various digital and analogue filters can be selected for DSD and PCM up to 384KHz
PPCM Filters:   Bitperfect 44.1 – 192kHz, always used for 352.8 – 768kHz
Bitperfect + 44.1 – 96kHz


Gibbs Transient Optimised 44.1 – 384kHz


Apodising 44.1 – 384kHz


Transient Aligned 44.1 – 384kHz


DSD filters:   fixed 3rd order analogue filter @ 80kHz with correction for DSD’s -6dB gain
Gain (headphone section):   user-selectable: 0dB, 9dB and 18dB
Dynamic range:   119dBA (solid-state, PCM, -60dBFS)
Output power   (16Ω, balanced/single-ended): >4000mW /1>1,500mW
Output voltage   (600Ω, balanced/single-ended): >11.2V / >5.6V
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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2018, 06:35:24 PM »
Looks the part!!

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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2018, 07:50:36 PM »
Hi Francois

Does this have the x-bass and 3D mode? Also how does it compare on price to the Ican pro?

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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2018, 04:38:17 PM »
The Pro iDSD has upsampling and studio features. Its doesnt have the "enhancements" of the smaller siblings. It dos have a tube and SS output that has beautiful tonal differences. Lots of filers and upsampling to DSD1024.


Its around R33k vs the iCAN R28k


Prices may vary if our exchange rate tanks but a Exchangerate * MSRP is safe...tad less  :thumbs:
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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2018, 02:00:05 PM »
What a crazy piece of kit. Runs rings around any DAC we could throw at it.

2nd Order also now sold out.

I will be placing a 3rd order Monday and should have stock in 14 days time.

PS: TNT delivers in 48hours, takes our side 5 DAYS to deliver at my door. What a farce.....
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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2018, 02:14:11 PM »
What a crazy piece of kit. Runs rings around any DAC we could throw at it.

2nd Order also now sold out.

I will be placing a 3rd order Monday and should have stock in 14 days time.

PS: TNT delivers in 48hours, takes our side 5 DAYS to deliver at my door. What a farce.....

You lucky its only 5 days.
Must male a plan to have a listen to this "crazy piece of kit"
Time to get back to when I enjoyed listening......no more upgrading, more of a headache than a pleasure

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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2018, 02:25:01 PM »
I had my own one, client just insisted this leaves with him  ;D

Its about the same difference as between the Vivere and DACs around that time. On all levels just so much better. I know it has a lot to do with the Quad BB DAC and also the DSP part. On the SS setting it just extracts lots of liquid detail. And Then with the tube setting it keeps the detail but pushes the mids out. NOT valve bloom, that happend at the V+ setting.

In the 3rd batch Ill have a demo unit again....
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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2018, 06:54:41 PM »
Francois which BB DAC's does it have - is it the DSD1794a?

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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2018, 02:56:10 AM »
Looks very cool. What tubes does it use?

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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2018, 05:49:54 AM »
I was very apprehensive ordering this little beast. I knew there are some review that are out there that praises it. Some go as crazy as to compare it with DAC's like the Chord DAVE and EMMLabs DAC's  :nutter:


The Headphome amp is already being touted as brilliant. A small step down from the iCAN professional headphone amplifier


Ill put it like this. I HAVE the EMMLAbs XDS1 V2 here. It has been my benchmark for ANY comparison. Beaten ONLY by the dCS Vivaldi...


and now THIS DAC.  :facepalm: :sweat:


My reference speakers for the past year was Sonus Amati's (all sold), the Franko Serblin masterpiece..... THIS dac brings up the B&W800D to the same level. Gosh I can only imagine if I had the Homage at hand to compare.


The three output mode are masterpieces. The SS is crystal clear and super detail, the middle valve setting the best to me. The Valve + lush and incredibly huge.


Another two in the way....I didnt expect such a high end bargain
It would be interesting to know how the Pro iDSD compares to the latest Emm Labs DA2 ($25 000). The Hifi News & RR review rates the iDSD at 87% and recommends the SS output.

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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2018, 07:09:55 AM »
Francois which BB DAC's does it have - is it the DSD1794a?

Ah. Uses 4 x DSD1793 chips.

As per the 6moons review:
(http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/ifi/1.html)

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Re: ifi iDSD Pro
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2018, 11:33:44 AM »
Good morning everyone!

I like the way this guy reviewed it:

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/ifi/1.html

It turned out to be a very enjoyable, tastefully executed sanely priced do-it-all. It did everything a product of this sort should these days, did them really well, then added a ton of useful features to where I honestly couldn't think of anything I'd like to see added. Most importantly, this comprehensiveness didn't make iFi's most ambitious DAC mediocre, merely good or even great but truly fabulous. It sounds like a machine developed by a veteran engineer who is fond of old multi-bit architecture and valves but adds a 21st-century mind set and the latest up-to-date tools. Such a confluence of abilities can't go wrong and today's review proved that point brilliantly.


 The upshot is that even if—highly unlikely—all the additional features of the Pro iDSD were of no use to you, it'd still be a fantastic DAC. To underscore that point, I view it as the machine to familiarize yourself with before anything else at a similar price. In fact, it's now my top choice even well above €3'000. Highly recommended!
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