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Offline PAPPA3

Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« on: March 08, 2018, 10:18:42 AM »
I have just tested my Samson Rubicon R5a active studio monitors, and am quite impressed.  The ribbon tweeter is very crisp and clean.  Midrange could use a bit of warmth and clarity, and bass is tight but a bit light.  Nevertheless very good sound all things considered.  Played them straight from my Audiolab 8200CDP/DAC which has volume control, so acts like a preamp.  Will still hook these to a Rotel RA11, which also has preouts.  Got me thinking of going in this direction for a while.  I'd probably prefer the Rubicon R8a which has a better bass response.  Yes, there are better systems, but this eliminates the need for a power amp, and in my situation even a preamp if I use the Audiolab.

http://www.24audio.co.za/my-account/samson/monitors/samsonrubicon-r8a-monitors

Has anyone gone this route?

Any alternative recommendations for a active speaker?  Budget R10k max

Where would I source these, and audition alternatives - in Gauteng on the West Rand

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Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2018, 10:31:59 AM »
If you are just sampling and you have the opportunity, check out the Behringer TRUTH 82031A. They are by no means perfect; you will quickly spot their flaws. But I did find them to be more dynamic than the likes of Quad L-ite and Wharfedale 10.1. Not fair comparisons, I know, since the others are passive and have different drivers and box sizes, but still valid as points of reference.

IMO, studio monitors - active or not - can be evaluated on the same basis as any other speaker; that would be suitability to your own needs. For my purposes, I needed the dynamics, and that's why I still have these. I don't use them for listening to music, but as speakers for my digital piano. My own mongrel DIY 2-ways are way better for music.
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Offline Jukkelstukkel

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2018, 04:50:09 PM »
For home listening I shall rather consider PMC Monitors

Offline XL1000

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2018, 07:15:58 PM »
You are welcome to come take a listen to Quad 12L Actives.
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Offline 2wice

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2018, 08:37:20 PM »
Make a turn at Orange Music if you can, they usually have a whole bunch of actives setup in a not very ideal room, but you will get to compare them pretty well.

I chose the Focal CMS 65 as they were the best from the lot at playing well at both low and high volume, very well. In nearfield and room-filling volume.

Offline Nidri

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2018, 08:06:00 AM »
PreSonus is also VERY good value and worth looking into.
(https://www.soundselect.co.za/presonus-eris-e8)
(https://www.presonus.com/products/Eris-E8)
(https://www.presonus.com/products/Eris-E8/reviews)
I know a few studio engineers who use them.
To my ears they've always sounded really tight and powerful.
Not quite Adam but really, really good.

Check them out here (Strydom Park):
(http://www.tuerkmusic.co.za/index.php/pages/single/retail-stores-jhb)
Better Price perhaps (Blairgowrie):
(http://www.djmixclub.co.za/Main.asp?D=%7B6E6E875C%2D0A39%2D4062%2DB0B5%2D1D67D0513F4B%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=PREERISE8&CategoryID=199)

Their AMT-tweeter-with-6 1/2 inch-midwoofer model, also within your budget:
(http://www.djmixclub.co.za/Main.asp?D=%7B6E6E875C%2D0A39%2D4062%2DB0B5%2D1D67D0513F4B%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=PRER65%2E&CategoryID=199)
I haven't heard these AMT models yet, but based on their other models I suspect these will perform well.

Tannoy & RCF are also worth checking out, just over your budget (R11k):
(http://www.djmixclub.co.za/Main.asp?D=%7B6E6E875C%2D0A39%2D4062%2DB0B5%2D1D67D0513F4B%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=TANNOYREVEAL802%2E&CategoryID=199)
(http://www.djmixclub.co.za/Main.asp?D=%7B6E6E875C%2D0A39%2D4062%2DB0B5%2D1D67D0513F4B%7D&PageType=Product&SKU=RCFAYRA8&CategoryID=199)
RCF's are said to be a little 'smoother' than most studio monitors, though I don't have any first-hand experience.

My reference for active monitors is the Adam A3x/A5x/A7x/A8x range.
Many local recording engineers use them.
They are excellent but also very expensive and out of your budget.
As are the Genelecs and Events of the world (except perhaps for the much smaller models).

The Adam A-series speakers are still made in Germany, which goes some way towards explaining their high cost.
Though afaik their F-series is made in the PRC, as well as their new, more affordable new T-series.
(https://www.adam-audio.com/en/t-series/t7v/)
(https://www.soundonsound.com/news/adam-audio-intro-affordable-t-series-monitors)

Offline Spurge

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2018, 11:54:04 AM »
I have a pair of pristine Genelec 8030's.

Offline Simango4

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2018, 03:28:54 PM »
Quote
I'd probably prefer the Rubicon R8a which has a better bass response.  Yes, there are better systems, but this eliminates the need for a power amp, and in my situation even a preamp if I use the Audiolab.

http://www.24audio.co.za/my-account/samson/monitors/samsonrubicon-r8a-monitors


The R8a seems like they've used very thin MDF pannels for the cabinet, which is most likely to yield a boxy sound due to inadequate sound absorption and resonance. 11.97 Kg's for a 30cm x 25cm x 38cm MDF cabinet with an 8 inch woofer and a built in amplifier is just too light, something has been compromised. Expect the cabinet to lack internal bracing, meaning it's most likely going to dish out a lot of audible undesired sounds due to resonance and standing waves given its dimensions as well...

I've listened to the passive Quad 12L bookshelf speakers with a NAD integrated amp, then the active Quad 12L alternative, the passive 12L's had better bass control probably due to stronger external amplification, most internal amps are compromised due to the need to remain cost effective.
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Offline dekardy

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2018, 04:35:01 PM »
I'm quite surprised that no mention was made of the JBL LSR Range.  I have LSR305 pair and very happy with it.  Adding their matching sub really fills in the bottom end beautifully.

Offline XL1000

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2018, 06:07:48 PM »
I'm quite surprised that no mention was made of the JBL LSR Range.  I have LSR305 pair and very happy with it.  Adding their matching sub really fills in the bottom end beautifully.

Sure, good monitor, but I really found that they get confused the minute things get too busy. They seem to muddy up the mid-range in complex recordings.
If used for mixing I agree a sub is needed or one wont be able to discern the bass tracks being laid down properly and it does add to the overall enjoyment.
There is a good pair of Samson Resolve Actives on FBMP now @ R3,500.00 also a pair of Mackie MR6 MK3 @ R3.5K in original condition with boxes.
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Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
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Offline XL1000

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2018, 11:37:17 AM »
For that sort of money you could just as well get the NS-1000M available on the forum. OK not Monitor Size for a PC Desk but stunning anyway.
There were some ELAC monitors too that were very good. Also, not too much money. But in the league of these Emotiva, maybe KEF LS50 Active?
More than double the price though at 2000 Sterling. Would love to hear both these and the Emotiva.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 11:41:28 AM by XL1000 »
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Offline Ampdog

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2018, 01:31:10 AM »
General question to those with experience:

In my earlier days 'active' loudspeakers mostly implied that the driver itself is actively involved in the NFB loop of the amplifier, as in motional feedback. [This is where the driver itself is involved in the amplifier feedback loop in such a way that unevenness in the cone radiation itself (thus acting in a manner of speaking, as an 'internal microphone') is compensated for by the amplifier.]

From descriptions it now appears that it simply means a loudspeaker containing an amplifier and driver in the same enclosure, without involving electronic control of the driver(s)?

Secondly I notice that in bi-amplification (i.e. with separate amplifiers for l.f. and h.f. drivers respectively, each with its specific band of frequencies from an internal electronic cross-over), the output powers of both amplifiers are added to give a total rating.  I.e. l.f. channel = 80W, h.f. channel = 70W, thus 130W total.

This is misleading as the output channels never work simultaneously. The maximum output is still 80W only.
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Offline Mervin

Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2018, 05:56:27 AM »
You are welcome to come take a listen to Quad 12L Actives.
These are stunning.
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Re: Moving to Active Studio Monitors - Advice
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2018, 09:01:37 AM »
Oom amp, I think that it is OK to publish speaker power this way, as it is in any case difficult to standardise power rating for this configuration. Actually, the individual amplifiers require less voltage swing than the one in a conventional system, the more "ways" you divide the spectrum. So, it is difficult to relate amplifier power. It is almost a moot effort publishing a power rating. Reason: different crossover configurations, including frequency, roll-off rate, driver sensitivity, enclosure type, directivity. Too many factors involved to make a fair comparison. In fact, those same factors apply to even a conventional passive system. (Even though speaker efficiency numbers are often discussed, they have limited usefulness between similar loudspeaker designs).

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