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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2018, 05:41:01 PM »
My ARES DAC got taken out by a severe lightning strike last week (as well as R25k of other stuff) so I was thinking of the Denafrips PONTUS DAC as a replacement.  Its $2200 from Vinshine in Singapore and this includes shipping.  Its a R2R NOS DAC

I am always willing to listen to suggestions.  If there was a Viviere on offer, I would buy it tomorrow,  RJ swears by his Schitt Yggradisl
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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2018, 07:05:05 PM »
^^^ Sorry to hear about your Ares.

Francois/AA is selling a Vivere:
https://www.avforums.co.za/index.php/topic,69765.0.html

I'm sure Pontus is very good but like you said $2200 almost puts you in Yggdrasil price bracket.
Other R2R options:
I have an Aqua La Voce which is also in that price range.
For a little less there is also the Soekris 1541.

RE sound quality I can only speak for the Aqua, which I love (true PCM1704/NOS design).

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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2018, 10:27:58 PM »
My ARES DAC got taken out by a severe lightning strike last week (as well as R25k of other stuff) so I was thinking of the Denafrips PONTUS DAC as a replacement.  Its $2200 from Vinshine in Singapore and this includes shipping.  Its a R2R NOS DAC

I am always willing to listen to suggestions.  If there was a Viviere on offer, I would buy it tomorrow,  RJ swears by his Schitt Yggradisl
Here you go Chris: https://www.avforums.co.za/index.php/topic,69765.0.html

Edit: I see Nidri got there well before me  :be:
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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2018, 12:00:28 PM »
Does anyone on the forum own the Schiit Bifrost multibit - opinions?

From their description it sounds like it uses the same closed form filtering as the Yggdrasil?


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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2018, 11:34:44 AM »
My ARES DAC got taken out by a severe lightning strike last week (as well as R25k of other stuff) so I was thinking of the Denafrips PONTUS DAC as a replacement.  Its $2200 from Vinshine in Singapore and this includes shipping.  Its a R2R NOS DAC

I am always willing to listen to suggestions.  If there was a Viviere on offer, I would buy it tomorrow,  RJ swears by his Schitt Yggradisl

Why not get another ARES? Upgradeitis?

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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2018, 12:02:21 PM »
I have asked Francois for the Viviere.  The ARES has gone back to Singapore to be checked out.  Doubtless they will send a replacement.  So I will compare the two when the ARES comes back, which, judging from the comments on the Vinshine website, will take some time

Courier was damn expensive.  I got quotes ranging from R2010 to R3260
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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2018, 12:44:20 PM »
I have asked Francois for the Viviere.  The ARES has gone back to Singapore to be checked out.  Doubtless they will send a replacement.  So I will compare the two when the ARES comes back, which, judging from the comments on the Vinshine website, will take some time

Courier was damn expensive.  I got quotes ranging from R2010 to R3260
I purchased a Vivere after recommendation by Ian(Jim Gore) and audition at his place and I absolutely love it. So much more information(insight) in the music compared to my Levinson DAC I could hardly believe my ears.
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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2018, 01:58:41 PM »
My ARES DAC got taken out by a severe lightning strike last week (as well as R25k of other stuff) so I was thinking of the Denafrips PONTUS DAC as a replacement.  Its $2200 from Vinshine in Singapore and this includes shipping.  Its a R2R NOS DAC

I am always willing to listen to suggestions.  If there was a Viviere on offer, I would buy it tomorrow,  RJ swears by his Schitt Yggradisl

I have a DAC1541 if you're interested in getting your ears on one of those, but...

For the kind of money you're talking about though, I'd be trying to hear an Yggdrasil to see if that pushes the right buttons. Schiit just got done with an upgrade to the analog board in the Yggy which is apparently a good step up in curing a slight grayness in the background. That plus USB Gen 5 also baked into the new Yggys.


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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2018, 02:48:36 PM »
I have a Soekris DAC1541 if you're interested in getting your ears on one of those, but...
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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2018, 06:29:03 PM »
For me, the main ingredient of a good DAC is always instrument separation. In other words, there should be a sense of "air" between instruments & voices when listening (think of it as a fence of sound as opposed to a wall of sound). Supplementary to that is how holographic audio sounds through the DAC -- I 
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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2018, 07:26:13 PM »
So I rudely interrupted myself with an unplanned keystroke and posted prematurely. So anyway...

For me, the main ingredient of a good DAC is always instrument separation. In other words, there should be a sense of "air" between instruments & voices when listening (think of it as a fence of sound as opposed to a wall of sound). Supplementary to that is how holographic audio sounds through the DAC -- I

Supplementary to that, is how "holographic" audio sounds through the DAC. Is there depth and layers to the music? Can you imagine the band members' positions on stage when listening? I can tell you that while both are superb, there is a distinct difference between a Nuprime UDSD and an Audio Gd NFB11.28. It's why the Nuprime suffices for my workstation at the office whilst the AG lives with my gaming/AV rig. 

Speaking of gaming rigs, I often tell people in that circle who don't understand my other hobby that the DAC is like a graphics card. Entry level ones produce the bare minimum to get by, and the highest end ones are able to reproduce an image as close to lifelike as digital gets provided the output does it justice. In other words, you don't buy a Nvidia Titan when you only have a CRT monitor, and you don't buy a Benchmark DAC3 to run a pair of Skullcandies.
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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2018, 07:40:59 PM »
For the kind of money you're talking about though, I'd be trying to hear an Yggdrasil to see if that pushes the right buttons. Schiit just got done with an upgrade to the analog board in the Yggy which is apparently a good step up in curing a slight grayness in the background. That plus USB Gen 5 also baked into the new Yggys.
I recently tested that configuration and unfortunately there are good number of issues in its performance.  See: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/measurements-and-review-of-schiit-yggdrasil-dac.2358/


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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2018, 08:50:45 AM »
I recently tested that configuration and unfortunately there are good number of issues in its performance.  See: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/measurements-and-review-of-schiit-yggdrasil-dac.2358/

Oh for Pete's sake, Amir, are you reduced to lurking on South African forums now? You clearly have an axe to grind with Schiit - I suggest you keep it to your own little piece of the internet.
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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2018, 09:15:03 AM »
Oh for Pete's sake, Amir, are you reduced to lurking on South African forums now? You clearly have an axe to grind with Schiit - I suggest you keep it to your own little piece of the internet.

I find this post most unwelcome,  input such as factual lab test info from a member abroad is just as welcome as any local input. Topic in hand is a US product after all.

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Re: So what do you actually listen for in a DAC?
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2018, 10:22:25 AM »
I find this post most unwelcome,  input such as factual lab test info from a member abroad is just as welcome as any local input. Topic in hand is a US product after all.

Amir has made himself unwelcome on several online forums and has a negative reputation going back years. Don't assume that something that seems factual is really accurate. Especially with highly technical fields like testing it is very easy to distort things.
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