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Offline Cuco

WE300B tubes
« on: August 16, 2017, 11:43:45 AM »
Hi All,

I'm contemplating to purchase a pair of Pswane WE300B (apparently the exact replica of the original Western Electric 300B tube) for my Audionote Kit, SET, 8wpc power amp. The 300B tubes will be half of the price of the amp... :thinking: Has anybody tested the Pswane WE300B?

Cheers 

Offline El Sid

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2017, 01:58:12 PM »
Does Pswane have an office in Tswane?

Offline Cuco

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2017, 06:37:11 PM »
Nope Pswane is in Gauteng.

Offline 2wice

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2017, 07:16:55 PM »
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Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2017, 08:07:39 PM »
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Offline Kent Kassler

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2017, 09:53:19 PM »
Save your money!The only reason I don't own or run a 300b amp is because I could never afford "the real deal".....I refuse to believe that any new production tube is even in the ballpark of the old.....and the price does not justify the product in my opinion.
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Offline Cuco

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2017, 12:13:31 PM »
Save your money!The only reason I don't own or run a 300b amp is because I could never afford "the real deal".....I refuse to believe that any new production tube is even in the ballpark of the old.....and the price does not justify the product in my opinion.

Thanks for your advice. I guess there are not too many guys with 300B amps in the forum.

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Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2017, 07:11:32 PM »
Yes not a lot of folks with 300B amps I imagine.

And $750 for a pair of valves feels a little steep.

http://psvanetube.com/wordpress/store/products/psvane-we300b-11-replica/

Would one of the cheaper options from Grant Fidelity like the Shuguang Treasures not be worth considering?

http://psvanetube.com/wordpress/purchase/shop-by-tube-model/300b/

Are the Sophia Electric tubes perhaps worth considering?

http://www.sophiaelectric.com

Or you could use the kids' college fund and get some Takatsukis.  ;)

https://www.takatsuki-denki.co.jp/en/products/ta-300b
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/audio-s/item/ta300b/
https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2012/10/04/takatsuki-ta-300b-and-border-patrol-s10-exd/
https://www.dagogo.com/takatsuki-ta-300b-vacuum-tube-review

If it were my money I'd try the cheap Shuguang WE clones and perhaps the Gold Lions.
But then I'm a cheapskate.

http://www.thetubestore.com/Tubes/300B-Tube-Types/Shuguang-300B-98
http://www.thetubestore.com/Tubes/300B-Tube-Types/Genalex-Gold-Lion-PX-300B
http://wallofsound.ca/audioreviews/triode-roundup-seven-common-man-300b-tubes-compared/
« Last Edit: August 19, 2017, 07:13:58 PM by Nidri »

Offline Francois

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2017, 07:25:12 PM »
the Psvane 1:1 replica is very very good. There are some reviews that put them between the 1957 WE and the later 79's and 90's versions.


I will be able to give you an idea in next 3 weeks or so. Original R40k 57 WE's vs Psvane 300b's and the 1:1 replica's


If the consensus of the "panel" is that they approach the WE I'm ordering my set.
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Offline Kent Kassler

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2017, 08:10:55 PM »
Just to clarify my comment....it's less about sound than it is reliability.The number of tube failures due to poorer construction can be read all over the show.A genuine Western Electric 300b had a predicted lifespan of 40 000hrs.....no tube being made currently can enter that arena and many out of the box failures do occur.....lifespan is of some importance I reckon when spending big money. (To me it's big money but of course not necessarily to others.)
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Offline Francois

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2017, 11:12:53 PM »
I totally agree. That 40k hours is something to behold. Amazing. I can only hope the 1:1 copy give 50% of that. But the world will quickly let it rip if they start packing up in few hundred hours.  :ticked:


Just hoping another company might try the same trick and build a replica...
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Offline Cuco

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2017, 09:31:18 AM »
I did look at the Shuguang Treasures, the Shuguang WE clone, read the reviews etc. The reason I'm interested in the WE is because of its high praise by everybody in the international forums. I just want to know how much better my SET amp can sound? If I get the Shuguang Treasures, I will wonder about the WE. So, that's why the WE clone. An end game 300B tube since I cant afford or wont pay the money for the originals.

I haven't really seen anybody commenting on reliability. Everybody talks about the sound difference in the various forums. Reliability is obviously a big factor. If the original lasts 3-4 times longer than the clones it may be worth investing in it. However, 40k hours is 4.5 years of continuous listening. I listen say max 4 hours a day, that is 1460 hours a year. So, a 40k hour tube would last me 27 years. I'm 50 and honestly don't want a tube outlive me  :). I' be happy more than happy with 10k hours. Obviously, WE clone tube failing in a few weeks is another story  :( .   

Offline Agaton Sax

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2017, 12:21:21 PM »
In my 300B days I never bothered about fancy tubes. I do have extensive experience with an older DHT, the 45.

I once had a collection of 50 pairs of 45s here. All the names, Marconi ,Raytheon,Cunningham, RCA etc ,etc.Even those very old globe shape ones(forget the name). One thing they all had in common was that after about a week of use they would start spluttering. I hate that paper crumbling, farting sound.

I changed to new Emission Labs  tubes.. They would splutter for a week or so and then become dead quiet. I pulled the first pair after 8 years of 16 hours a day use and they were as good as new. The solid plate ones were significantly better sounding than any of the old tubes ,with the current mesh plates even better.

Don't know if that can be transposed to 300Bs but I would think very carefully before spending fortunes on a 60 year old tube.

Offline Ricketysmurf

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2017, 10:30:06 PM »
Hi All,

I'm contemplating to purchase a pair of Pswane WE300B (apparently the exact replica of the original Western Electric 300B tube) for my Audionote Kit, SET, 8wpc power amp. The 300B tubes will be half of the price of the amp... :thinking: Has anybody tested the Pswane WE300B?

Cheers

I have exactly as described above. A friend brought around a set of Psvane WE's, the difference was immediate and I had no choice but to order a pair, extremely happy. I was fortunate that there was a special at the time for $650 including shipping. Highly recommended, welcome to come and listen.
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Offline Cuco

Re: WE300B tubes
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2017, 11:19:57 AM »
I have exactly as described above. A friend brought around a set of Psvane WE's, the difference was immediate and I had no choice but to order a pair, extremely happy. I was fortunate that there was a special at the time for $650 including shipping. Highly recommended, welcome to come and listen.

Well, we did listen to the Psvane 300B WE replica's on my amp at Ricketysmurf's place (Thanks again) and compared it to the Electro Harmonix 300B. As soon as we switched on the music we could hear that the WE replica's are on another level. More detail, better highs, better imaging, punchier bass and most importantly the sound stage was a lot wider. For me this is a no-brainer. I already ordered a pair. The difference in sound quality for the amount of money makes it a bargain in my opinion.