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Please indicate what kind of loudspeakers do you use in your main listening environment (RRP ZAR)

Small Bookshelf-below R20K
15 (10%)
Standmount Between R20-R50K
11 (7.3%)
Standmount between R50k-R100k
2 (1.3%)
Floorstander below R20k
34 (22.7%)
Floorstander between R20k-R50k
43 (28.7%)
Floorstander between R50K and R100K
13 (8.7%)
Floorstander over R100k
17 (11.3%)
Planars or electrostatics (can incl  conventional bass drivers)
10 (6.7%)
Horns (primarily based on typology)
5 (3.3%)

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Offline iondb

Re: Air Loudpeakers
« Reply #300 on: December 04, 2018, 04:50:05 PM »
I don't really have any reference songs, so I will fall in with what will be chosen. I did hear a song or two of Yoshio Otomo's Moonray album which sounded good.

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Re: Air Loudpeakers
« Reply #301 on: December 06, 2018, 02:30:17 PM »
At last some progress pics from Cape Town.  :cool:






Offline adie

Re: Air Loudpeakers
« Reply #302 on: December 06, 2018, 05:03:15 PM »
So much of teasing!!!
Will they be ready for Christmas Stefan?
Looking very good- and very substantial.
The kokie marks on top?

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« Reply #303 on: December 08, 2018, 12:38:18 AM »
Oh wow! That looks good. :clap: I think they will look stunning when fully completed. Stefan, I would like to add some songs but need to think which would be best

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« Reply #304 on: December 08, 2018, 09:31:53 AM »
lovely, good luck with the project

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« Reply #305 on: December 08, 2018, 09:36:46 AM »
Your bold and great effort deserves much success, much courage and best of luck

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« Reply #306 on: December 08, 2018, 02:27:54 PM »
Mmmm, those speakers are going to look amazing. Can't wait to see them closer to finished. And I wish I could join a listening session!
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Re: Air Loudpeakers
« Reply #307 on: December 10, 2018, 09:25:17 AM »
@adie @Stanp @itscraig @ALIGMUZ and @Atjan, you guys rock. Thanks for the encouragement, compliments and good wishes. I still hope to hear them around Xmas but I am not betting on it. We are nearly there...

Adie, I am also teased as much as what you are. The speakers are being built and assembled in Cpt so I also see only pics.. The coki marks are on the top plate is just a mistake marking by the machinist. Remember the speakers are designed as mirror pair. Stan asked in a whatsapp what the rectangular recesses are? The bolts that pull the baffle into the top and bottom plate are accessed through that recessess. This top section will be covered with a 3mm aluminium cover to hide all the detail and round off the speaker.

ALUGMUZ, thanks for the comment about the boldness. I had a disappointing discussion with someone else who basically hinted that a wood/mdf design would be cheaper, easier and quicker. I was a bit taken back by the stance. I realised that it is not a straightforward design but hopefully a unique and worthwhile attempt to push the limits.  I have no question in my mind that speaker enclosures made out of more traditional material can also sound good, but there are many very good attempts out there, some of which I import, sell and like. So why imitate? This project is, however, an attempt to do something different and I believe that it will pay dividends in terms of the performance as well. I still am confident that even with the advanced methods the pricing will still represent value.

Atjan, I might have a plan...  ;)

Thanks again guys..

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Re: Air Loudpeakers
« Reply #308 on: December 10, 2018, 11:12:41 AM »
I had a disappointing discussion with someone else who basically hinted that a wood/mdf design would be cheaper, easier and quicker. I was a bit taken back by the stance. I realised that it is not a straightforward design but hopefully a unique and worthwhile attempt to push the limits.  I have no question in my mind that speaker enclosures made out of more traditional material can also sound good, but there are many very good attempts out there, some of which I import, sell and like. So why imitate? This project is, however, an attempt to do something different and I believe that it will pay dividends in terms of the performance as well. I still am confident that even with the advanced methods the pricing will still represent value.

Now this is the part that to me is the only questionable aspect of your product. The methods and materials you use are typical of high end products (think Vivid). I am not aware of high end products being sold as "representing value". Like, if it costs R180k or R300k - I still can't afford it - and there is only a certain income class (only a few of them here) that could. If you sell your product too cheaply (say, R50k) you run the risk of not getting the recognition it deserves.

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« Reply #309 on: December 10, 2018, 11:35:29 AM »
Shover, indeed the question of pricing is crucial for the success of this project in the long run. Without being coy about the final pricing at all I would say that my view is as follows:

1)Compared to the benchmarks I have used I do believe that I can put out a unique product for the SA enthusiast. These benchmarks include Vivid's local pricing but also the other products' (including Vivid)international pricing.
2)obviously we recognised an international market is a prerequisite to making it sustainable, but one step at a time
3)we are working hard on scaling the tooling into products that are slightly less ambitious but still build with the same genetics
4)some early adopter promotional campaign or even crowdfunding once we have the 1st viable product out there could create momentum.

But yes, pricing is to going to be very important. Good question indeed.  I am fortunate that I have been importing speakers for almost 25 years so I understand the pricing strategies of manufactures. From an SA consumer's perspective think of the logistical costs that are saved, especially in metric volume is taken into account.

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Re: Air Loudpeakers
« Reply #310 on: December 10, 2018, 02:19:37 PM »
Certainly reassuring to know that logistical costs are replaced by quality components and detail,so SQ vs cost should be premium!

We are all eyes and ears,waiting for another world class entry into the audio world,right here from own shores...  :notworthy:
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« Reply #311 on: December 10, 2018, 03:49:34 PM »
This is awesome stuff! Congrats on the research and development thus far, it does look very impressive! Subscribed :popcorn:

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Re: Air Loudpeakers
« Reply #312 on: December 11, 2018, 11:30:33 PM »
This is truly stunning,all the best sir  :2thumbs:

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« Reply #313 on: January 14, 2019, 02:54:22 PM »
A big and enthusiastic welcome from my side in 2019. May all those who are interested in my efforts have a great year on all levels. Reading the signs from the environment it seems that it will be a tough year, again, but challenges will always be with us, and it is the way we respond to those challenges that make the difference.

So another year has come and gone and in terms of our progress, I must say 2018 has been really slow, even disappointingly so. I had no idea just how much effort the last stretch would be. In many respects, Alex is more realistic in this regard. I tend to be overoptimistic, but that is just my bias in life. I guess and I am not keen to be curbed as life would that really be dreadful if one starts out with a dim view of the future.. :)

Late last year, with my bias I was hoping to have the 1s pair of Vivace's up and making music. I pushed and pushed our suppliers, even had some heated exchanges and in the end, I had to concede the Vivace's won't be up and running as a Xmas present. All the efforts were however not in vain. All the parts, except the wood cheeks, were completed before Xmas, and there are even some additional parts also manufactured(ports etc). I, however, decided to take a break and not push the assembly. Alex and I took a good break and had a lovely time with our loved ones instead. I read, watched movies, cooked and had some lovely wines with my wife and daughter. Of course, I listened to music, that is almost a given. Lots of electro, new wave sounds from France that is on my daughter's playlist for example.

What I did do was to have one or 2 people over to listen to the mocked midrange set up and I did revisit the crossover typology. The comments from those that listened were was a curveball to say the least. The comments were that everything sounds so good, everything feels in place, how will you attract a market that seems to be more interested in "shock and awe" sound. This made me think and think and led me to revise the crossover approach from a zero base. I measured, the drivers again, did simulations and started to build a number of crossovers that range in crossover slopes, crossover points and I started to switch between them during the period between Xmas and last week. What I found was that I could easily get away with a possibility of 3 crossovers but more importantly, I learned something about my own preferences in sound. I found that my own preference is for natural voicing. All 3 crossovers measured well, I would even say textbook to a degree but one was slightly more idiosyncratic. Guess what, this slightly more idiosyncratic crossover, to my ears, is the best. It is also the one I had in mind all the while. Kind of reassuring. I also had the pleasure and privilege to listen to a few systems of other enthusiasts of late, some vintage Sonus Fabers and some more modern SF, and also some Vivids. All well set up and I concluded that I can see why these speakers were in some respects iconic. I can easily settle down with them, well the SF perhaps more so than the Vivids, but still. What I found when reflecting back and in comparison to what I hear in my own design is a naturalness and an ability to make music accessible, even if it is 2nd rate recordings. I really value that in my attempt. It has detail in spades(I think it will be in the same ballpark as the Vivids, especially with the carbon cabinets), imaging par excellence and Nidri(if I might quote him without his permission) commented on the huge soundstage- He, however, did comment that it could be my room as he also heard it with the Fiesole's. Natural is the differentiator, at least in the midrange. I am quite confident about it.

Now it is into 2019. Alex will pick up the parts from our supplier today and tomorrow and the 1st prototype assembly is thus imminent. No commitment to dates in my typical optimistic style, but hopefully... This will include drivers and crossovers.. So they should be made alive by playing...

I will update with pics as and when they come through from Alex..

Have a wonderful year and hope to meet more of you and enjoy some music together, especially if I can breathe life into the Vivace!  :mates:

 

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Re: Air Loudpeakers
« Reply #314 on: January 31, 2019, 11:50:44 AM »
Hi all those faithful followers of the thread  ;D, I promised pics and yes we are now attempting the assembly of the 1st pair of VivacÚ prototype. Here are the 1st steps, we started with the preparation of the baffle and fitting the drivers.







Hopefully, more pics soon.

The day is getting closer ...