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Offline The Godfather

Re: New forum rules
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2008, 08:54:20 AM »
Ian - I wasn't seeing this as publicly available information. I wont discuss the specific validation process, but there are methods of doing this. It is not as though it would be asking for a credit card number. Your ID number is listed in many places. Your academic certificates and records, banking, cellular telephone, Telkom, credit bueros, video rental establishments, insurance companies & many other online registration mechanisms.

Gert - As I said it would serve to provide a deterant in eliminating shadow posters. Take as an example the recent TEAC banning.

Offline Andrew

Re: New forum rules
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2008, 08:59:50 AM »
Ian - I wasn't seeing this as publicly available information. I wont discuss the specific validation process, but there are methods of doing this. It is not as though it would be asking for a credit card number. Your ID number is listed in many places. Your academic certificates and records, banking, cellular telephone, Telkom, credit bueros, video rental establishments, insurance companies & many other online registration mechanisms.

Gert - As I said it would serve to provide a deterant in eliminating shadow posters. Take as an example the recent TEAC banning.

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Offline Ian

Re: New forum rules
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2008, 09:23:05 AM »
Ian - I wasn't seeing this as publicly available information. I wont discuss the specific validation process, but there are methods of doing this. It is not as though it would be asking for a credit card number. Your ID number is listed in many places. Your academic certificates and records, banking, cellular telephone, Telkom, credit bueros, video rental establishments, insurance companies & many other online registration mechanisms.

I might be being naive here but all the examples you give would surely have far better encryption firewalls and security than these forums, and are on a need to know basis, I just feel that it would put people of joining the forums if they had to provide an ID number, I know it would me
 
If youíre not prepared to discuss the verification process and the info it would provide, who would do it, and where that info would be stored and who would have access to it Iím certainly not prepared to give my ID number out.

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Re: New forum rules
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2008, 09:42:36 AM »
Again, I agree with Ian.

To be very honest, you'll be able to suss out the bad grapes quick enough by the content of the posts. You are suggesting we use a 10 pound hammer to hit a nail here, which may be a little over the top.

Anyway, just my 2c
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Re: New forum rules
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2008, 09:52:14 AM »
I STRONGLY SUGGEST FINGERPRINTS !!!

to me this whole thing seems like a bit of an overreaction. a guy who obviously wasn't the most polite left for whatever reason, and now we need new mods, new rules and more security ??? even ids, lol.
now can we please go back discussing cables ...  ;)
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Offline The Godfather

Re: New forum rules
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2008, 10:22:44 AM »
I STRONGLY SUGGEST FINGERPRINTS !!!

to me this whole thing seems like a bit of an overreaction. a guy who obviously wasn't the most polite left for whatever reason, and now we need new mods, new rules and more security ??? even ids, lol.
now can we please go back discussing cables ...  ;)
OK, ok - but watch - the impersonators will come. Especially in this climate.

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Offline zeabre

Re: New forum rules
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2008, 10:39:57 AM »
Hi guys

Without getting into the "why" and my 2c as to reasons for the current events, etc...I agree on the provision of an ID being over the top. Simply for the fact that storage security and web encryption needs to be premium then. Excuse me if I'm wrong and it's already been implemented, but can we not have a simple verification process whereby upon registration the verification email is ONLY sent to a current work address? (NO gmail, hotmail, info@mywork, admin@mywork etc etc)

On another note, a further part to verification could be that we actually start enjoying the company of all those in favour of audio AND hi-fi during get-togethers...and start organising monthly or quarterly mini braais, get-togethers etc. Nothing better for building a community than putting a face to everyone. If we can have a monthly Mensa meeting, with arguably some of the most introverted people around, then surely we can have some nice audio events?

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Re: New forum rules
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2008, 10:48:22 AM »
OK, ok - but watch - the impersonators will come. Especially in this climate.

The poster in question went incognito (allegedly); he did not impersonate.

But still: what happened?

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Re: New forum rules
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2008, 10:55:01 AM »
ID is absolutely out of the question. Not only does it leave AVF with storing private member data, simply entering an ID means nothing unless you can actually cross-reference it for validity. I'm not even sure about asking for full name.

I'd hate to ban Gmail because that is my preferred email provider, and I hate it when sites don't accept free mail providers. But if we continue to have any problems whatsoever with phantoms I will not hesitate to ban them.

About TEAC: Martin had strong suspicions that he was a phantom. I checked the logs and his public story doesn't quite match up. He appears to be posting from the same range as another member who recently de-registered. That in itself is not reason enough for a permanent ban, but he was lying in his posts and he can contact me privately to sort things out if there is a logical explanation for it all. So far, he hasn't.

Offline Timber_MG

Re: New forum rules
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2008, 11:25:46 AM »
Let the community do the authentication. Meet the people and do a report on the forum. Who wants to scan an id when you can braai.

full name and a fixed email(more than some number of recent posts for existing members) should do the trick.the exceptions can be dealt with by the mods.



Offline Graham R

Re: New forum rules
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2008, 11:43:40 AM »
ID Number? You must be joking right?

I have changed my online username to my [real] name. I will not publish my phone numbers, ID number nor work e-mail address on a public forum.
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Re: New forum rules
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2008, 11:53:46 AM »
Graham, it is not going to happen - guaranteed. And nicknames are perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: New forum rules
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2008, 12:03:22 PM »
About TEAC: ... he was lying in his posts and he can contact me privately to sort things out if there is a logical explanation for it all.

And apologies for calling you a liar! There was a reasonable explanation after all, and I should have waited for it rather than labeling your posts as lies.

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Re: New forum rules
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2008, 12:24:26 PM »
I think that the forum rules discussion is going nowhere. We have been talking about how to control access to the forums, instead of how we'd like the forum to be conducted, rules, acceptable behaviour, etc. This approach assumes that the current members are angels and we need to keep out the bad element, whereas in fact anyone can go rogue at any moment.

The wikipedia may give us some food for thought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum.

Also, here is an example of another forum's rules, which I copied verbatim from the site:

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diyAudio Rules and Moderators Statement (08-06-2002 until 09-06-2020)
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DIYAUDIO GROWING PAINS

Recently there has been a lot of discussion regarding diyAudio's growing pains. The thrust of the arguments have been twofold:

1) That the quality level of discussions is being watered down by off topic and garbage posts
2) That the level of peer respect is being worn down by impolite and inconsiderate users.

To address these two concerns the rules below have been created to serve the community, and will be enforced by a team of moderators who care deeply about the health and future of diyAudio.


FORUM RULES

1) No personal attacks or bullying. If you disagree with what someone is saying, then present a mature and intelligent case to prove otherwise. Malicious intent will not be tolerated. What you do over private email is one thing, what you do on our forum is another.

2) No offensive language. Sure, most of us use four letter words in normal conversation without too much thinking, but this forum is about thinking. Words are the clothes in which thought is dressed. And luckily, these threads are cheap (pun intended) so please choose language that reflects the quality of your ideas.

3) No threadjacking. Threadjacking is the practise of stealing another's thread by posting off-topic replies such that the original topic becomes diluted or lost. Off-topic posts, and even more importantly replies to off-topic posts, are welcome, but should also address the original thread topic.

Some of the greatest discussions have come as a result of off-topic replies. If something interesting does arise that warrants further discussion then continue your discussion privately over email, or even better start a new thread and link to it. This rule will of course be used with discretion.

4) No posting of safety endangering information without an accompanying safety-warning message that adequately explains the risks

5) Usage of multiple registrations for the same person and/or same internet access account is not permitted without prior approval of the site, and may result in a permanent ban of the individual and/or account holder.

6) Topics unrelated to audio or electronics should be confined to the Off Topic section. Discussions of politics, ethnicity, religion, or other divisive issues are not permitted and will be removed, without notice, at our discretion.

Violation of forum rules will result in users having their accounts suspended and/or terminated, at the discretion of the moderators.

These 6 rules will be enforced in good faith to keep the discussion quality level and the level of peer respect, high.


MODERATION OF DIYAUDIO.COM

diyAudio.com is a place for all members of the DIY audio community to ask for help and share their knowledge. Several members of the community have been appointed as forum moderators. This is a distinctly separate role from their participation as members in the forum.

It is a moderators role to enforce the forum rules. As such, moderators should lead by example through intelligent posting and polite communication.

It is not a moderators role to ask users to prove the quality of their arguments through empirical evidence, that is the role of the community (and the moderators may of course still participate as members of the community). The moderators will use their best faculties to separate their own personal opinion when analysing whether posts contain worthless or irrelevant information and should be removed.

Any comments in regards to moderator behaviour should be sent privately via email to webmaster@diyaudio.com.


MODERATORS STATEMENT
It has come to our attention that some people are being naughty.

We do not want naughty boys
We may have to give you a serious warning
We may have to put you in the sin bin for a week or two
If you offend several times, we may have to kick you out

Some things we do not like are:

Telling people where to get porn
Being rude to other members
Using F word or C word
Deliberately moving threads off topic
Intimidating new members
Posting non factual information
Omitting safety information if applicable
Being a pest to other members
Posting with caps lock on.

We like good discussion. We have a hands-off policy towards some noise and some chaos and some members being a little bit picky. But not at the expense of making the forum bad news for the majority.


We want members to feel safe walking down the street. We want members to feel they can post without being attacked.

It works like this:

New members should be able to come here without being slapped down the first time they post. Even if it's a stupid question. Even if they cannot spell. Even if they don't know where the caps lock key is on their keyboard. They are new-comers. Treat them right. There is nothing wrong with holding off a few posts and then suggest they put new batteries in their spell checker or consider doing some work for themselves but give them a chance to settle in. You would like that courtesy yourself.

If you feel someone is wrong please don't call them an arsehole or a dipstick or "don't you know any $%$#@^&ing thing".

It's not polite.

You are quite welcome to think all those things to yourself and a few more choice comments, but please engage brain before putting your keyboard to work. This is a DIY group, not an insulting group.

If you feel you have a desperate need to post where to get porn on the internet please do not insult our intelligence because we all know. Those who know, don't need to be told. Those who don't, we are not going to tell them. It is an automatic sin bin offence.

We have an automatic parser, which replaces F word and C word with ****. So far since being tightened up it has intercepted 52 F words. We are not prudes, we know guys speak with enthusiasm but sometimes what makes a point in speech looks pretty bad in print. Sorry but those words are out. We don't recommend you try and circumvent our parser because there will be a moderator waiting for you on the other side.

We have 2891 members, 4947 threads, 48221 posts and over a million views. If you put 2891 people in a room and turned off the lights quite a number would end up seriously injured. They would never come back so we loose members. Some of the more experienced members get exasperated with some fellows running around causing mayhem. A lot of new guys come here to learn, not to get pushed around.
We are not trying to spoil your fun, just turning the lights up a bit so we can spot the troublemakers.

There are 8 moderators. All over 7 feet tall. All over 17 stone. All trained athletes with bulging muscles and hair trigger reflexes. Each moderator is equipped with two low slung colt 45's, night vision glasses and armour piercing tracer shells. But they are kindly people. Anyone can call on a moderator to help out. If you have a complaint, email the webmaster. If you have a suggestion to improve the site, email the webmaster. If you want a free diyAudio.com T-shirt email the webmaster. (There are no free T-shirts - Jason ;).


Respectfully,


The diyAudio Moderators

This is just for an example. I am not suggesting that we adopt their rules. The rules must, of course, suit the community and/or intent of the forum owner.

@ Kay:

Can I suggest you make a sticky post that contains the AVSA forum rules (so people can find it easily). We can then discuss what is desirable or not in that policy/rules list as it stands and make amendments to it as we progress?
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Offline Andrew

Re: New forum rules
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2008, 12:48:24 PM »
You have to be careful not to go into moderation over-drive - that can kill a forum in a matter of days.

Moderators need to be independant, not to take sides. They need to follow the guideline that (as Ampdog I think put it) it's not what is said, it's how it is said that matters.
A forum needs dissenting views, otherwise it will die. Encourage debate, but make sure it is kept above the belt. If someone steps out of line, remove the comment and ask them the rephrase their comment nicely. If they persist, suggest they remove tjhemselvs from the thread. If they still continue, then sin bin and ban if necessary. What is equally important, though, is that the forum members are told to show their age and maturity, and to believe strongly enough in their equipment, beliefs, whatever, to be able to roll with whatever blows may come their way without throwing an instant frothy. Both sides need to come to the party.
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