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Title: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Winslow on January 11, 2017, 07:27:31 PM
Two years almost to the day in coming, the Cornscalas are up and running in my listening room.
For those of you who have never heard of these speakers they are cross between the "Heritage" - Klipsch La Scala and the Klipsch Cornwall.
Having the top end performance of the La Scala with the bass of the Cornwall.

There are 4 styles of this speaker 3 of them are three way's and one a two way
I settled on the two way the style "D". as this is the version that Bob Crites personally prefers.
A note:  to those who have never heard of this fine gentleman, he is the Klipsch  Guru in the states.
He runs a business supplying spares modifying and servicing Klipsch speakers of all ages and sorts.

What made me decide to go down this road and take a chance ; I currently have Vanderssteen 2CE Signatures have been overjoyed with the outstanding performance of these speakers for 9 years. and have yet to hear anything I can afford that equals the musical pleasure these speakers deliver.
Three and a half years ago I obtained a pair of Klipsch KG 4's.
I bunged these in the corner of my listening room and have had many hours of listening fun from them.
Very close to the performance of the Vandersteens ; lacking a bit on the clarity and pin point imaging of the Vandies but have a very dynamic and punchy sound signature. they just put a smile on my face and they go loud with out any sign of distortion and distress being 94 db, the Vandies are an easy drive at 87 db but they hit a wall in the volume stakes. Loud enough for a sane person but I am a bit of a loud freak.

Now what ; what is better than a KG 4, off to the Klipsch community (OK Klipsch Horns no chance) next on the scale - the Cornwall no complaints from any body anywhere on the net about these speakers.  Can I get some in this country, no way no chance.
What comes close to the Cornwall - the Cornscala, from all opinions and the number of guys in the world of Klipsch who have them, this is the route to go. The opinion of those who know Klipsch Heritage speakers is that the Cornscala's are better than the Cornwall's.

Please do not confuse the sound of a Klipsch Heritage or vintage Klipsch's like the KG series or the CF series for example, with the current Klipsch offerings- those tower speakers now on offer designed like all tower speakers (and sounding all much the same IMO) to fit into your home and to keep the ball and chain happy. Modern Klipsch speakers given the right amplification and source can sound very very good even if they may be an acquired taste. Just ask a fan.

Cornscala "D's" (Local Version)
Thanks to two greats of our Audio Community Xumbug and Jim Gore.
Stewart who sourced all the components and Ian who built the cabinets.
These are big speakers and are not realy suitable to plonk down in the lounge each taking up the space of a large armchair.
Drivers:  A pair of Faital Pro HF 140 compression drivers, a pair of Faital Pro LTH 142 Tractrix Horns.
A pair of Faital Pro HF 400 15 inch Drivers and a pair of Bob Cries Crossovers made by B&K sound.
Decided to use the Faital 15 inch over the Crites 15 inch on Stewart's advice which was not a mistake.
Sounded just right on the first listen no fiddling necessary bolt up and play what a pleasure.

Specs:
Have not measured them from all accounts +- 100 db which seems in the ball park certainly a lot more sensitive than the 94 db of the KG 4's.
Size:  Big 23.75 inches wide - 34.25 inches high - 16.25 inches deep.
Have a dedicated listening room so it is no problem plus they are designed to work in the corners or against the wall, not at all fussy with positioning, which is what I wanted.
Build:  What can I say  they are perfect, as anyone who knows Ian's work can attest. He even made grills for them and stands that realy make them look the Biz.
Used 25 mm Norwegian Birch Ply throughout.
Sound: Fantastic, dynamic as all hell, detailed, punchy the bass is tremendous certainly do not need subs with these puppies. Plus they image like Hell.
The tops from those horns?  A bit rough at first, after playing around with amps and having a bit of running time on the new compression drives, now sounding as clean and innocent as the smile on JZ's Mug.
Sound signature much the same as the Vandersteens only punchier more dynamic with better bass. With the added advantage of being easy to set up. Get the Vandies set up wrong and you will be disappointed, plus the Vandies like to be well out in the room.

Source and amplification:  Opera Consonance Cyber 800 Mono Blocks 6CA7 power valves 78 W each.  Line Magnetic 211IA Integrated - EL34.
32 W ultra Linear 12 W Triode.
Audio Research SP 16 pre amp.
Modified Jolida JD 100 CDP - JVC XL-Z431 CDP -  Dennon  DCD 1460 CDP
Rega Planar 2, Goldring 1042 cartridge, Musical Fidelity X-LPS V3 phono stage.
Cables all Van den Dul  :giggle:

Sound on the different amps: This goes against popular belief.
Line Magnetic - in Triode - tad overblown bass sounds great at first but then you start to feel it is a bit much.
In Ultra linear less bass, noticeably so and in both modes the tops are a bit ragged.
The opposite applies to the Vandersteens on this amp in Triode and at only 12 W they are smooth clean and punchy.

On the Operas and the Audio Research- a match made in heaven, cant find any fault to speak of.  Who would have guessed that power made any difference on such a sensitive speaker, three clicks on the pre volume and they are loud, 4 - 5 clicks call the cops.  Fortunately they also sound and work great at low volume on this set up, listened till after 1 a.m. this morning and for 7 hours today at volume with out a hint of fatigue, had to drag myself down stairs.
"What more could this man ask from a speaker"
Pics, sorry cant get my so called smart phone, I call it Mr. Stupid to work with my Pooter.
Will have to get this sorted by somebody who does not have a Ludites view like I have, I do not dig this Tech S@#!
Link:  www.critesspeakers.com
Cost:  more than I was hoping, the Rand tanked just at the right time  :cr@p:
IMHO they perform better than any thing I have heard to date costing 4 times more, and I have heard plenty of costly commercial speakers. As always this is a subjective opinion, any one who thinks one size fits all in this hobby, needs to have a good look at his motives and tone down his ego a bit.

Thanks again to  :notworthy: Stewart and Ian  :clap:  :thumbs:   two years was well worth the wait and it gave me a chance to stash bucks for the day of reckoning.

Anybody who would like to have a listen is more than welcome PM me, I am home all day being retired and reside on the western side of Randburg.

 


 



Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Phase on January 11, 2017, 07:30:39 PM
 :drool: :drool: :drool:
PICTURES!...
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Winslow on January 11, 2017, 07:37:51 PM
Come sort out this stupid phone, must pay a visit to Mike with the pooter and phone and get this  :cr@p: sorted.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Phase on January 11, 2017, 07:51:40 PM
Come sort out this stupid phone, must pay a visit to Mike with the pooter and phone and get this  :cr@p: sorted.

I see the children and no complete build. Come on Oom CANNOT wait for tomorrow for someone to visit! Will PM you my cell number you can WhatsApp me pictures and I will post 1@ time!
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: fdlsys on January 11, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
 :clap: :clap: Congrats Oom and glory & credits to Ian and Stu! Can't wait to hear them! Will be in touch.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Rotten Johnny on January 11, 2017, 08:14:36 PM
Not a single photo?
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Phase on January 11, 2017, 08:19:38 PM
Not a single photo?

 :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
I can say the same :giggle:.

Ooms slower than I! Have sent number.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: fdlsys on January 11, 2017, 09:13:14 PM
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: xumbug on January 11, 2017, 09:15:06 PM
Hi Felix, it was an absolute pleasure in helping with this project and thanks for the workout getting them up into your room :giggle:
The Faital Pro drivers are really very special and the Bass unit you have is far superior to the Crites. With nearly identical specs the faital is in a league of its own in speed and resolution and is very highly regarded.
I was very impressed by how these speakers sounded cold and as you say compete with commercial costing many thousands more, probably north of 150k!
I can only commend Ian for the amazing cabinet work, fitting and tuning the drivers, his attention to detail is incredible, an absolute master in his craft.
Enjoy Felix  :dop:
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: fdlsys on January 11, 2017, 09:21:37 PM
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: adie on January 11, 2017, 10:37:59 PM
Would love to hear these- over the fan noise  :giggle:
I would love to hear those amps too.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: blizzard on January 11, 2017, 11:55:56 PM
All I can say is that I love it when a plan comes together :2thumbs:

Souf effrikaans need to learn that the Rand currency is bleak and the sooner you turn to DIY the better.End result 99% of the time is a product that will outclass commercial offerings at least twice the price (being modest).

Well done Ian and Stu and enjoy every moment of them dear Sir  :rubhands:
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Kent Kassler on January 12, 2017, 12:00:31 AM
I spot one of my old amps.....the little amp that could....
Those speakers look fantastic!
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: ghostinthemachine on January 12, 2017, 12:01:52 AM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Rodney_gold on January 12, 2017, 12:12:53 AM
I wish you all the best and much joy in using them...  MYNEBBTYL (may your next eargasm be better than your last...)
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Phase on January 12, 2017, 03:03:56 AM
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Phase on January 12, 2017, 03:14:20 AM
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Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Phase on January 12, 2017, 03:17:33 AM
Wow Oom I don't have enough CAPITAL letters or exclamation marks! to explain these.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Timber_MG on January 12, 2017, 08:03:03 AM
A nice pair of "bookshelves". 15" paper cones have a very different kind of mid range presentation that I quite like.  This would be quite a departure from the old Klipsch 3-ways sound wise and the initial surprise by the tops may just be the adjustment to the directivity of horns.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Telephono on January 12, 2017, 09:28:19 PM
Fantastic! Wishing you many hours of happy listening!
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: King_Julian_S on January 13, 2017, 12:28:46 AM
Awesome looking ..
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: ron g on January 13, 2017, 06:08:08 AM

congrats!!

i really loved the sound of your van der steens - if these outperform them they must be something special indeed.    :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Winslow on January 14, 2017, 08:53:06 AM
Thanks Ron you must come and have a listen next time you venture out west, to my side of town.

All traces of aggressiveness is now gone from the tweeter at least to my ears on the Line Magnetic.
The Operas however sound oh so sweet.

Having a friend around later today to have a listen he is very sensitive to brightness,  (he has B&W 804's so he knows all about it   :point: )  so I am looking forward to his opinion. I might just be getting used to them, but I do not think so.

Who says speakers do not need running in ; the bass is now also noticeably tighter and more detailed after about 50 hours of playing. It dose not intrude into the upper mid's as I have heard on a lot of speakers

A word on the mid range ;  "great", open, extended, clear and detailed in the same ball park as the Vandersteen's only better.   :rubhands:
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Kemosabe on January 14, 2017, 09:37:18 AM
I am not often envious of speakers but these look phenomenal. Can just imagine the fast tight sound!
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: adie on January 14, 2017, 09:44:12 AM
Slightly off-topic but your before and after listening observations pushed me to buy a pair of Vandersteen subs I can't afford (it's your fault I'm broke! ;D) to augment my Eminent Technology LFT8's- and I kinda expect similar results. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Winslow on January 14, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
Was seriously thinking about getting  Vandie subs for the 2CE's but decided a change is as good as a holiday.

I am loath to part with the Vandies everyone who has has regretted it later down the line.
Will give it some thought and make a decision some time pity they are to big for my small bed room that would have been nice.
.
See Klipisch is getting back on the PWK Wagon at last. New Klipsh Forte III's -  KG 4's on steroids.

www.avsforum.com/best-ces-klipsch-forte-mark-iii-speakers-demo/


Two way  active horns with a 15 inch bass driver ALA. Cornscala

http://www.avsforum.com/best-of-ces-klipsch-heritage-wireless-the-fifteen-2-way-15-active-speakers/

"Quote"
Mark Casavant, the senior VP of global brand and business development at the company explained to me that Paul Klipsch felt a 2-way design pairing a 15″ woofer and a large horn tweeter was the optimum configuration for a speaker system, but in the past the materials and technology to produce an ideal rendition of this configuration, but thanks to modern technology The Fifteens deliver on that promise.

“Featuring 180 watts per channel built-in custom amplification with a 192kHz / 24-bit DAC, 15” woofers and 1.75” horn-loaded tweeters, The Fifteens deliver auditory ecstasy. Including a built-in phono pre-amp, plus optical digital, USB Audio, RCA and Bluetooth® inputs– you can enjoy the purity of sound from virtually any source without the hassle of a complicated setup.”

If The Fifteens live up to the promise of Paul Klipsch’s notion of an optimal speaker design, they surely will join the ranks of the company’s all-time classics. I can’t wait to hear a pair in action.








Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Timber_MG on January 14, 2017, 10:51:47 AM
I love a good 15" 2-way. They are often very fun and engaging and people who think a 15" cannot do mids have likely just not heard such a thing.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Winslow on January 15, 2017, 12:41:22 AM
Had my B&W friend around this afternoon, for a listen he has some serious kit ; Levinson 33h's, Levinson No. 40 pre processor dac,  Levinson  No 31.5 reference CD transport, cables that cost about the same as my complete kit.

His comments:
I have never heard mid range so extended and as open and clear as this.
The bass is tight deep and fast.
The tops are smooth sweet and extended.
Uncoloured and natural very musical and non fatiguing sound.
We listened to his choice in music, and he commented a few times that he had never heard tracks sounding so good.
We played The Waterboys Book Of Lightening which is a condensed mash of sound no dynamics everything is squashed together.  He had a big smile on his face "I can listen to this on these speakers cant stand to hear it on mine."
So glad that raggedness on the tweeter has gone on all 3 amps we tried. I was doubting my self, he is very sensitive to excessive brightness.
I was thinking perhaps I was just getting used to the sound.

Happy as Zuma with his hand in the till I am.   :Whoohoo: :Whoohoo:

Who says horns honk and sound like a PA system then, not me for sure.  Horns are just simply very addictive.

Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: JimGore on January 16, 2017, 07:38:57 AM
Hi Felix,

Only saw this post now,  hence my late response.  I am very glad you are happy with the speakers  :2thumbs:

Out of interest - are you using them with or without the foam plug now they are played in a bit more?

Kind regards,
Ian.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Winslow on January 16, 2017, 08:23:20 AM
No plugs, they not needed at all now, they do cut the extension on the highs therefore not using them.  Can return them if you wish.
Compression driver just needed some playing time to settle. (Lots of 80's Synth Pop did the trick  :giggle:)

Thanks Bud.   :mates:
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Phase on January 17, 2017, 05:53:09 AM
Keep coming back here, beautiful build! Horns done right no going back.
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: Nirvana on January 17, 2017, 06:45:53 PM
Never heard horns,but this looks like an awesome job,befitting of the reputation of the creators! :notworthy:

And loved those Cyber 800's ever since I heard them on Acustats  :groovy:

Congrats Winslow and all involved,and happy listening!!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Bob Crites Cornscala's
Post by: HBAutomation on January 17, 2017, 11:03:37 PM
I love a good 15" 2-way.
That's what she said!