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joel

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The benefit of stands
« on: November 03, 2007, 03:52:57 pm »
While most people agree that speaker stands can be considered vital components, how important are equipment stands?

Do these offer purely aesthetic value, or can they enhance the performance of source components, CD players, DVD players, Turntables etc.?

Can stands "add" (or should that be detract less) to the sound delivered by amplifiers?

Are we the buying public once again being hoodwinked by the claims made by stand manufaturers (both local and international).

Personally I believe that a good stand can make a difference.

The fact that my wife likes the look of my Sound Structures stand (mid level model) does mean that I am allowed to populate said stand with equipment :D

Comments for and against are as usual most welcome. 

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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2007, 05:34:59 pm »
Nice one, Joel!  This is bound to trigger some "robust debate" among the masses...

My R0.02 worth:

Firstly, the question is not a simple one that can be answered with a binary Yes/No type response - there are a number of aspects to be taken into consideration. Firstly, lets agree on the definition of "equipment stands" and identify those aspects which are specifically excluded:

An audio equipment stand provides a number of shelves intended to house audio system electronic components such as source components and amplification.  It is NOT intended to house/support loudspeakers.

The next aspect should be to categorise and group the areas of potential benefit provided by an audio equipment stand:

a) Optimising equipment "environment"
b) Optimising the sound quality of the "system"
c) Isolating the equipment from external vibrations
d) Minimising contra-arguments from SWMBO

The first area should not provoke too much dissent - audio electronics generate heat which needs to be dissipated to permit the components to function within their designed operating temperature range.  If this heat cannot be adequately dissipated, then the temperatures will rise - the degree of rise being determined by: firstly, the amount of heat generated by each component; and secondly, the heat dissipation rate provided by ventilation (natural or forced).  A well-designed audio equipment stand that has been matched to the components configured will provide adequate clearance  and adequate ventilation and, thereby, permit the equipment to operate well within optimum operating temperature ranges.  In addition to the possibility of damage from over-heating, components that run too hot can also sound different from when they are running at optimal temperatures - so a stand can, via decent ventilation, detract less (nice turn of phrase there, Joel).

The fourth area (yep, I'm skipping ahead to handle the easy bits first) is not quite so straightforward, as it depends to a large extent on the aesthetic tastes/preferences of the "significant other".  Usually, the reaction will be either "I love it!" or "I hate it!" - beauty is, after all, in the eye of the beholder....

The third aspect of "insulating" the equipment from - typically floor-borne - vibration depends largely on the combination of the floor type and stand-type. A sprung and suspended wooden floor will render any floor-standing equiment stand prone to the negative effects of floor-borne vibrations.  In cases like this where a suspended floor exists, the equipment rack should preferably be wall-mounted.  On any solid and "dead" floor, a decent equipment stand - ie one that is rigid enough and does not "cross-pollenate" vibrations from one component to another as a result, will "detract less from the sonic performance" of the system (much better wording than "improve" which always sparks off a mild flame war or two).

Coming back to the second category (although touched on in the above paragraph), this is an area where it is probably worthwhile examining under different categories of component.  A turntable, for instance, demands a very high level of mechanical isolation to prevent positive feedback from detracting from the sound (there's that word again..).  Just how much real difference mechanical isolation can make for the benefit of amplifiers and other non-mechanical source components, is - from my perspective at least - not quite so clear-cut.  The transformers used in amplifiers do generate mains frequency level vibrations which are more likely to cause problems elsewhere, so the benefit of isolating amplifiers is most likely to accrue in other areas than in the amplifiers themselves.

Overall? I concur with your belief that a good stand can and does make a positive difference to the sound quality of an audio system - particularly if a turntable is in the configuration - by "detracting less from the performance" (love that phrase...).

Whether or not a stand can make as much difference as claimed by some manufacturers, is another matter altogether...

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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2007, 06:43:00 pm »
Very well put! ;D

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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2007, 03:37:41 am »
Whether or not a stand can make as much difference as claimed by some manufacturers, is another matter altogether...


Nothing ever makes nearly as much difference as claimed by manufacturers.   ::) 8)

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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2007, 09:21:47 am »
Nothing ever makes nearly as much difference as claimed by manufacturers.   ::) 8)

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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2007, 09:32:18 am »
So Shonver do i fall into the Idiot category for buying a stand? ;D

Or am I a clever **** who bought a stand that his wife liked, and this allowed me to buy better equipment? :D

If buying an attractive stand meant that everyone on this forum could get away with buying even more toys, I'm pretty sure stand sales would go through the roof.

Unless you bought one of those really heavy models, stacked it with even heavier amplifiers and the like, and you lived in a flimsily built home. In this case your stand purchase could go through the floor.

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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2007, 09:48:15 am »
Or am I a clever **** who bought a stand that his wife liked, and this allowed me to buy better equipment? :D

This one ;D
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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2007, 11:28:19 am »
Or am I a clever **** who bought a stand that his wife liked, and this allowed me to buy better equipment? :D

Which manufacturer promised you this? A stand that doesn't improve your sound directly, but results in later upgrades? I'd buy that;D ;D
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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2007, 11:34:17 am »
Nice one, Joel!  This is bound to trigger some "robust debate" among the masses...

My R0.02 worth:




You call that mouthfull 2 cents worth ? ? ? LOL


Well my 2 cents again is: Use common sense. A rickety plank plonked on two bricks is unlikely to sound good ;D but IMO spending thousands and thousands on equipment racks will not have a proportianate return ITO S/Quality. A well constructed sturdy rack should do fine.
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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2007, 12:40:32 pm »
Well said Skinny.  ;)

But I would like to add that a nice looking, well constructed piece of furniture is usaully quite expensive. Therefore, even though a good rack may not have tha sonic qualities that the manufacturers claim, it may still be money well spent.... concidering a simple coffee table could cost between R2k and R6k.  ;D
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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2007, 12:48:33 pm »
Well said Skinny.  ;)

But I would like to add that a nice looking, well constructed piece of furniture is usaully quite expensive. Therefore, even though a good rack may not have tha sonic qualities that the manufacturers claim, it may still be money well spent.... concidering a simple coffee table could cost between R2k and R6k.  ;D

Exactly, in my experience you're buying furniture the wife wants/approves of anyway ;D so she wont mind you forking out a few rands for it ;D

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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2008, 03:38:36 pm »
Received a tip from someone that works pretty well. For speaker insulation buy the rubber mesh thingy that you put in the boot of your car to stop things from sliding around cut n put a piece on the speaker stand. Damps vibration and stops speakers from siding. But then again, Im at the bottom of the food chain as far as real audio is concerned ;D

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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2008, 06:55:44 pm »
Received a tip from someone that works pretty well. For speaker insulation buy the rubber mesh thingy that you put in the boot of your car to stop things from sliding around cut n put a piece on the speaker stand. Damps vibration and stops speakers from siding. But then again, Im at the bottom of the food chain as far as real audio is concerned ;D

if you use prestik, they can't even topple over... I am sure prestik and the slip stop stuff will sound different. The foamy slip stop makes a pretty good sounding turntable mat btw.

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Re: The benefit of stands
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2008, 04:49:01 pm »
Received a tip from someone that works pretty well. For speaker insulation buy the rubber mesh thingy that you put in the boot of your car to stop things from sliding around cut n put a piece on the speaker stand. Damps vibration and stops speakers from siding. But then again, Im at the bottom of the food chain as far as real audio is concerned ;D

Ah, don't worry. So am I. Wait until you see the equipment I use for my reviews. It's sad. Skinny - I need you to post a pic for me. You know I'm technologically-challenged.
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