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ByronH

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ZRT Curve project
« on: January 03, 2011, 09:57:18 am »
At long last I'm posting some progress on my ZRT build, dubbed the "ZRT Curve" :) This is my first project build on this fine forum and while it's long overdue, it wouldn't have come this close to reality without the generosity and efforts from other forum members; thanks Stu and Ian ;)

The original idea behind this project was to simply reproduce the original ZRT designed by Zaph Audio, but this soon changed to something a little more ambitious and eventually resulted in this basic concept featuring curved side panels:


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Obviously there are far simpler ways to achieve curved panels, for example kerfing, but I felt like trying a different approach using laminated 6mm MDF. I can tell you already that it's a helluva lot more work but I'm hoping the results will make up for it; if anything it's a good learning experience ;)

So far I have just about all the MDF and parts required to complete the project, with some fabrication and testing taking place upfront to ensure that machining and assembly takes place without too many screw-ups. One of the challenges of this design is ensuring that the cross-braces for each enclosure are properly aligned during assembly, which means I need to form and set the curved side panels prior to assembly. Initial tests have shown that 6mm MDF is still pretty stiff and doesn't like to be shoehorned into a curved groove; the result is a curved panel but you may end up with a few missing teeth in the process, it also turns cross-brace alignment into a wrestling match which is no good.

Boot full of MDF:

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MDF stack destined for the ZRT enclosures:

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Cross-brace test cuts using prepared routing jig (partially visible below the cross-brace):

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Custom clamps for preparing curved panels:

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[edit: sorry, my linked images from Picasa aren't showing up for some reason...]
[edit update: fixed images ;) )
« Last Edit: January 03, 2011, 10:15:11 am by ByronH »

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2011, 10:17:33 am »
Here are a few pics of a test panel glued and clamped up:


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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2011, 10:21:23 am »
Looks good.  Interested to follow this build.

If all goes according to plan I want to attempt my first DIY with the tiny speakers in the next month
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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2011, 10:52:56 am »
Very nice Byron!

I also prefer the lamination method when using MDF.  I used 3mm MDF tho - the 6mm is a bit heavy on the bend.  When you get a couple of layers stuck together, you will find that the panel is immensely more stiff and rigid than a similar thickness piece of MDF because of the internal stress placed on the MDF during the bend.

Any ideas on finishing yet?

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 11:13:24 am »
Thanks :)

For finish I'm planning on going with a solid colour topped off with clear polyurethane for a bit of glossy depth and durability. Surface prep will be RustOleum "painter's touch" primer followed by the same brand's multi-purpose gloss spray in Kona Brown. I tested the finish on a piece of 310x310x18 MDF and the colour looks good but the spray-on PU not as smooth as I'd hoped; I'll revert to brush application using your tips here.

I still need to experiment a bit more with sealing the MDF end-grain prior to priming, and perhaps trying a brush-on primer for thicker application. What do you think?
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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2011, 11:17:09 am »
No need for primer.  Use wood glue mixed with water 1:1.  It will seal up the end grain as well as everything else.  Paint on using a brush.

I prefer the yellow glue to the white one for this duty because it dries harder, and is therefore easier to sand.  Check out Alcolin professional - it is the yellow one.

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2011, 11:22:30 am »
Have you tried Alcolin's "Ultra Wood Glue"? I've got both types and it looks very similar to the professional type. Both work great for joints, but I haven't tried using either for sealing yet.

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2011, 11:29:44 am »
I haven't seen the ultra yet - will take a look next time I am in the hardware store.

I tend to not use Alcolin much.  Nothing wrong with the product, it is very good: I just don't like the nozzle on their bottle - it is too huge for me.  I prefer the small one on the Ponal bottles for gluing wood together  ;D

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2011, 11:34:54 am »
LOL, that nozzle does become a pain at times. I've got a bottle of Ponal on the shelf too, should see if it fits...
Another idea is to use the cheapo tomato/mustard squeeze bottles for application, saw it on an Aussie woodworking show ;)

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2011, 12:29:18 pm »
Agree about the Alcolin glue bottle. You guys just reminded me that I can buy that tomato sauce bottle at the local plastic shop.
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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2011, 12:33:24 pm »
Hehehe, I can imagine my mouth watering each time I grab the glue!

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2011, 12:47:10 pm »
Hehehe, I can imagine my mouth watering each time I grab the glue!

Could be useful for people who talk too much.  :D

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2011, 09:24:08 pm »
Here are a few photos of a laminated side panel test dry fitted to cross-brace panel tests:


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The tolerances are quite tight in the grooves, so some light sanding will need to be done to free up a tiny bit of space for gluing.

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2011, 09:30:14 pm »
That looks really good. Are the curves circular ie constant radius?

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Re: ZRT Curve project
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 09:44:37 pm »
Nice work Byron!

Do you want a tip on the fit so you don't need to sand?  Wait with the assembly until the middle of winter when it has not rained for a long time.  The slight change in moisture in the air should be enough to give you a good fit without sanding.

Quite some time until winter tho...

Plan B then:  When you use the router to cut the groove, run your final cut forward, then run another cut at the same depth backwards.  This will make the cut every so slightly larger, and hopefully give you an easier fit.

Regards,
Ian.