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Daan Jacobs amp project
« on: October 21, 2010, 08:00:05 pm »
Got the amps a couple of days ago- they sound nice but they look appallingly functional. For my dream project, the spacing needs to be as per the pic. Second pic is the DJ logo I want to use - going to see if I can get it aluminium etched in the next few days. It'll be silver - its only black because that's what the laser needs (it will remove the white between the lettering, leaving the silver behind.) If it works well I'll try various sizes. I need to do it in a material that resists paint solvents, so that will take some experimenting.
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 11:00:10 pm »
2KVA power supply. one hefty amp  ;D, make some space for some glowing glass in there
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2011, 12:31:03 pm »
In September last year I got an urge to do an outrageous project, so I decided to build the world’s most ridiculous integrated amp.  It will  have to be visually very striking and sound good.
I decided on a gloss piano-black finish with a mirror-polished aluminium bevel around the front plate, concentric controls and a hidden tactile on-off switch.
I started by getting two Daan Jacobs power amps, then the project went on hold while we finished the Lotus and my son’s CR125.
Now it’s going again.
Got good valve preamp (in sub-assembly form) from Rudi
Got an abundance of MDF.
Mike (fdlsys) has ordered a couple of Alps blue pots, one for me.
I’ll get a 3-way switch from RS or Mantech for a channel selector.  Squeezebox, CD or external phono stage.
I've done the measurements. Width is a bit less than I'd estimated as the preamp components are small.
Width 80cm, depth 50cm, height 12cm at the sides, 17cm in the middle. Weight including case will be +-45kg.
Output 100w per channel.
Heard the Jakobz (!) Marloth hybrid (mosfet/valve) at Rudi's place a month or so ago, and it sounds excellent – the valve/mosfet bits seem to complement each other well, especially since it was Rudi who originally modded the DJ power amps for Telephono.
Case will be 10mm aluminium front, 5mm top and sides. My aluminium supplier will cut to shape for no extra charge, and I have found a shop on Edenvale that will roll the  1625mm curve on the top and the front plates. They need an “ear” on either side to ensure that the roll continues right to the edge of the plate. I’ll machine the bevel on the top of the front plate before I get that done, however. I’m going to try with a router first – see how it comes out. My swaer will weld the whole thing together, tig welder.
Volume control knob will be turned aluminium, and the channel selector will be concentric with that, separated by a turned, shouldered sleeve made from ertalon.
Inside, the volume control shaft will go straight to the pot, and there will be a mechanical linkage to the rotary switch for channel selection.
Internal wiring C2 as recommended by Rudi - the preamp is very sensitive.
RCA sockets are Neutrik, machined brass and gold-plated.
Each power amp and the preamp will have its own Faraday cage, made from 5mm aperture expanded metal. That will keep out unwanted signals up to 30GHz, and the only activity there is satellite comms!
Base will be MDF.
Rudi says that when they tried to put two DJ amps in the same housing a few years ago, it hummed badly and they could never work out why. In this setup they will only share a wood base, and I suppose a power and an earth connection. I hope it doesn’t hum, but lets see!

Here’s a front view and a plan view.
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2011, 12:43:41 pm »
Here are the power amps and the preamp components
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2011, 12:47:12 pm »
I am very taken with the massive, post-industrial look of these amplifiers. Just look at the caps and transformers - 2KVA!
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2011, 12:48:43 pm »
this is going to be very nice project. can't wait to see the end product. I am sure Daan would have been keen to see and hear this integration.  ;)

the grounding is the main problem. you can separate all the different ground planes with 10R resistors and you should get it 100% quiet
« Last Edit: September 04, 2011, 12:52:32 pm by Rudi »
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2011, 12:49:35 pm »
And here's the first mockup - tape measure to show scale.

(Anyone think I'll have power supply issues? ;D)
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2011, 12:52:14 pm »
this is going to be very nice project. can't wait to see the end product. I am sure Daan would have been keep to see and hear this integration.  ;)

the grounding is the main problem. you can separate all the different ground planes with 10R resistors and you should get it 100% quiet

What sort of wattage will I need?
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2011, 12:57:22 pm »
nothing mayor. use 5W just for the ease of use. you can also use 1/4 but fiddly to work with when you hard-wiring
on later diablo mods I used two rectifiers per transformer with parallel outputs. then the windings don't fight with each other.

but you could loose two transformers with no noticeable effect and you can save a bit on weight. use them on something else.
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2011, 02:32:13 pm »
Just decided to chuck the faraday cage idea unless absolutely necessary. What a crock of sh!t one reads when researching on the internet. Anyway, NO-ONE seems to use them for audio amps, so unless I  must , I won't. I'll make sure there's enough internal space in the amp in case I have to.

Off to go and cut some MDF.
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2011, 05:50:05 pm »
Pat - those DJ amps looks cool. If I were you I would simply polish up the cases and faceplates and keep them as is. They are part of South African hi-fi history...

But do build that snazzy case for the tube pre-amp...

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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2011, 07:03:52 pm »
Pat - those DJ amps looks cool. If I were you I would simply polish up the cases and faceplates and keep them as is. They are part of South African hi-fi history...
But do build that snazzy case for the tube pre-amp...
 ;)
He wouldn't listen...  :D

It HAS to be a 1/2 ton integrated amp, with built-in media player, and fully automated LP vacuum cleaning machine included...

Making it impossible to lift is about the only way of making sure it *stays*  ;D
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2011, 10:16:26 pm »
Pat - those DJ amps looks cool. If I were you I would simply polish up the cases and faceplates and keep them as is. They are part of South African hi-fi history...

But do build that snazzy case for the tube pre-amp...

 ;)


I'm not wrecking the DJ amps - if ever someone needs to separate them it'll be about a 1/2 hour job.

But I reely reelly want to do something unprecedented................. ;D
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2011, 10:27:04 pm »
He wouldn't listen...  :D

It HAS to be a 1/2 ton integrated amp, with built-in media player, and fully automated LP vacuum cleaning machine included...

Making it impossible to lift is about the only way of making sure it *stays*  ;D

Kind of like the tannoys.

it's only true-fi if............
- You need a crane to move it from room to room
- You can either have the amp in your lounge, or the speakers, or yourself. Two out of three doesn't fit.

- If you switch on a light at the same time as you switch on the amp, you blow the Blue Hills substation and it takes three days to fix.............

Next move is a steam-punk number.............
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Re: Daan Jacobs amp project
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2011, 09:56:32 am »
nothing mayor. use 5W just for the ease of use. you can also use 1/4 but fiddly to work with when you hard-wiring
on later diablo mods I used two rectifiers per transformer with parallel outputs. then the windings don't fight with each other.

but you could loose two transformers with no noticeable effect and you can save a bit on weight. use them on something else.

What would the ground planes be in this setup? The two bases for the power-amps? Should I then connect the two with a 10 ohm 5w resistor between?
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