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Carbon emissions tax
« on: September 09, 2010, 08:07:32 am »
What is your take on this new tax ?

Do they really think the tax is going to lower carbon emmissions ? ;D Just another money making scheme from our lovely SARS. I swear if **** were expensive this govt would tax our assholes  ;D
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2010, 08:43:29 am »
What is your take on this new tax ?

Do they really think the tax is going to lower carbon emmissions ? ;D Just another money making scheme from our lovely SARS. I swear if **** were expensive this govt would tax our assholes  ;D

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yip just like road tax doesn't go to fixing roads, CE tax wont go to creating a better environment.... Nope. more gravy....

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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2010, 10:46:20 am »
can we demand corruption tax from the guvment?
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2010, 11:16:25 am »
Well, depends what your take on it is.

On one side you can argue that it is totally unnecessary to move from point A to B with a vehicle with double the fuel consumption/emission rate than the average. This I agree with and if you feel the need to drive a SUV or 4x4 bakkie on tarred roads, keep quiet, because the vehicle should not only be taxed on the amount of CE, but also the purpose of the vehicle and the driver's selfishness, ignorance and lack of responsibility. If these cars actually saw the ‘off-road’ it would be justifiable, but picking up the kids from school(while little-franky-son-of-a-bitch could’ve taken the bus), which is what most of them do is just sad and unnecessary.

 But not everyone wants to drive a Yarris, and why should you if you can afford a X5 and who should tell you how to use your car? Hence, pay the tax.
The other side of that argument that is left out is the driver or rather driving style. And we all know that one can achieve the same mileage in a Yarris as that of an X5 by driving like a tool. Though, you’d most likely drive like a tool in an X5.

And what’s the point in CE anyway if the tax is not going to make the CO2 disappear in the atmosphere? It’s not like the government is going to use that money for planting trees next to the N1 or give it to a cancer research institution, so that we can all rest assured when we develop lung cancer from all the Hilux bakkies and X5’s on the roads that there is at least a cure for all of us now.

The government projects something like R8bn income from these taxes. Not bad, just wonder if we’ll see more wind stations, or schools and hospitals and…[oh forget it]?

There is only one good thing that could come from this and that is a change in people(consumers) perception of sustainable development.This type of taxing should’ve been implemented ages ago. Europe’s been going at it for several years now. And they’re actually good role models to the rest of the world. Since they started making cars their cars were smaller and more economical. The Americans still don’t get it and only now when emotions are high, because of BP, does Obama promise the fight environmental damage and global warming. What a ****! But they'll still consider a V6 as an economy car.

This should (hopefully) have a counter effect on car manufacturers to make cars more environmentally friendly and fuel economic and it's the consumer who should force them by buying more fuel economic cars etc.
 It is actually quite shocking that after more than 100 years of internal combustion technology, all they have to show for it is a engine that can put out an odd 120kW at 7l/100km. Hell, NASA apparently landed people on the moon in the sixties with a ‘calculater’, and we still can’t get on Mars or drive around in battery powered cars. All we have is ugly hybrids(which carbon footprint is longer than the list of all the women Tiger screwed) and VW still uses the same 3 valves per cylinder engines since the mid 90's, but people still buy it nonetheless. There's for going forward and now they're all at it with their 'revolutionary' 1.4 TSi. Pffffft!
 
So, I guess if we're suckers for buying old technologies and supporting BP, then we can just as well give our money to government to help us waste it even further.
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2010, 12:02:48 pm »
that is a change in people(consumers) perception of sustainable development.

This tax can invoke mixed emotions as the drivers of cars considered to have high emissions may think they are targetted unecessarily whereas the opposite side of the fench may think its the right thing to do.

The quote above reminds me of a minister I saw on TV some time ago talking about sustainable environment and then explaining that a sustainable environment is an environment that sustains itself ;D
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2010, 12:40:12 pm »
Nope if they wanted to tax carbon emissions they should tax petrol and diesel some more... like DUH! if you don't use it you don't pay for it... No brainer...
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 12:50:12 pm »
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 12:46:48 am »
Ju-u-u-u-ust a wee pebble in the Bush (oops, sorry; that should have been bush) and somewhat off-topic:

I recently read a document making quite an argument for the case of CO2 not being the culprit it is made out to be. Also, a student project submitted to the annual Schools' Expo Competition (given a high mark by us) did a thorough examination and documentation of weather changes, CO2 levels, polar ice changes and the like since the time all recordings started. It shows an about 11 - 12 year cycle, and quite a few contradictions to the present hue-and-cry. Not my field of expertise, but made me think. But that is another topic.
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 07:21:27 am »
Not my field of expertise, but made me think. But that is another topic.

Would you mind perhaps starting a topic on that, Johan. I am quite interested to hear about anything that either confirm or dispute the theory of CO2 emissions causing or not causing a shift in weather patterns(aka Global Warming)

The "proof" of CO2 causing global warming is quite convincing, but we do have to keep an open mind that there may be a fair level of coincidence in the "proof"

To my mind there is very little doubt that weather patterns are changing, but the cause could potentially be something totally different.
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 07:43:49 am »
I think discussing global warming is like discussing audio cables. You have scientist contradicting one another, saying greenhouse gasses is not responsible for warming and the other claiming it does.
The school of thought that argues against it claims that the CO2 levels in the atmosphere is negligently to  small of a concern and that increases in CO2 levels follows an increase in temperature-hence warming is not caused by increases in greenhouse gases.
Everything is also relative, and without hard scientific evidence/data one can only speculate and hope that the scientist who tells these story are not just telling one part of the story for the sake of media sensation.

It's just always shocking to see the blanket of pollution hanging over CapeTown when driving from Paarl. You have to wonder how beneficial that can be for your health?
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2010, 07:51:04 am »
It's just always shocking to see the blanket of pollution hanging over CapeTown when driving from Paarl. You have to wonder how beneficial that can be for your health?

Yeah, the Southeaster is needed to get rid of that.

I am fairly sensitive to the effect of polution and as such I suffer every time we go to JHB as I feel I can't breath, but in CT I have not really felt the effect yet. However the pollution is a concern
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2010, 08:12:05 am »
Many older small displacement cars are emitting far more C02 than modern much bigger bangers - the tax shoulda hit em....
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2010, 08:21:57 am »
Many older small displacement cars are emitting far more C02 than modern much bigger bangers - the tax shoulda hit em....

Quite right! Just get stuck behind some of them in traffic and it feels as if someone has put a hosepipe in your car's exhaust and fed the other end into your car! >:(
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2010, 08:30:00 am »
I've also heard that enormous amount of livestock throughout the world farting all day long emits more co2 ;D not to mention the human population
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Re: Carbon emissions tax
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2010, 08:31:56 am »
I've also heard that enormous amount of livestock throughout the world farting all day long emits more co2 ;D not to mention the human population

:D think they're already being taxed on that