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Rodney_gold

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Re: Camera
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 06:51:00 am »
My 1st Camera was a Konica t3 Autoreflex , I "earned" it when I was 15 in std 8...had been getting real bad marks in maths and my dad promised  me , jokingly , if I got an A and came top of the standard in maths , he would buy me one..I made him write it down...went to an extra maths teacher and got my A and came top of my standard..I stayed awake at night dreaming of that camera.
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2010, 08:36:45 am »
Well done. I like especially like the rooster. SLR cameras are a world away from compacts, and people who don't agree have never used them.
I do have a little positive criticism though, try to keep whites from blowing out, either by spot measuring on the white, or just underexposing on purpose. If you shoot in RAW it is also possible to recover quite a lot of detail.

That is a really good camera, and you should be able to get breathtaking shots from it, just be in nice places early morning or late afternoon and you're guaranteed to get awesome shots.
http://www.flickr.com/cameras/canon/eos_digital_rebel_xsi/ (These were all taken with the 450D)

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2010, 08:54:46 am »
For some brevity I think I should relate the following story as told to me by my step dad who is a pro photographer (many pics in AVSA are his)

Many moons ago a well known photographer was asked out to a society dinner.

When He arrived at the Hostesses lovely home, she welcomed him and told him that she loved his pictures and that he must have a fantastic camera.
The old pro graciously thanked the lady and went on to enjoy his meal.
On leaving he approached the hostess and told her that he enjoyed the dinner, and that she must have a great stove.

The moral of the story is that a camera, like a stove is just a tool, and that if you dint have the eye to see the picture, you will never take great pics. No matter how good the camera.

Some thing else the step dad always says is that the best camera is the one you have with you.
Some of the pics in his book on Jo-burg were snapped with his point and squirt Pentax as this little camera was with him when he saw the shot he wanted.

He sometimes even warns people against buying a SLR as in his experience the euphoria of having a fancy camera with big and bulky lenses wears off quickly and the whole thing then gets left behind as it's a schlep to drag a whole big camera bag along.   

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Re: Camera
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2010, 09:35:00 am »

I do have a little positive criticism though, try to keep whites from blowing out, either by spot measuring on the white, or just underexposing on purpose. If you shoot in RAW it is also possible to recover quite a lot of detail.

Thanks for that, much appreciated, but you will have to explain  :D

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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2010, 10:06:29 am »
Raw is the raw digital negative , the raw file is processed in camera to a jpeg - raw allows you more manipulation. Raw won't actually allow a lot more detail in blown highlight as if they are blown , they are blown and info is lost. In hifi terms take blown highlights (over bright bits) as "clipping" , the info is sheared off and badly distorted and is missing. Slight underexposure will allow a lot moire of detail recovery - look at this as music recorded at too low a level , you can up the volume control and make it louder. (albeit you get more noise)
The advantage to shooting raw is that you lose no info, unlike jpeg, and that using various aftermarket raw processors will give even better results when converting to jpeg than the camera will and the original file never changes.
The disadvantages are much bigger file sizes , the camera will sometimes have lag when shooting raw (in terms of it writing to the card) , you will have to process the image a lot more after shooting , increased file transfer times, raw is a proprietory format that differs between manufacturers, some viewers cant display raw files and previews will take a long time.
You can set the camera to shoot both raw and jpeg simultaneously , in that case you can work on a great pic in raw and make it even better and you have the jpegs to view etc.
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Re: Camera
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2010, 10:12:13 am »
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2010, 10:43:47 am »
I manage lust* dandy with my SANSUNG S1060 mik-n-druk!

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 12:14:55 pm »
Thanks for that, much appreciated, but you will have to explain  :D
Pleasure, I'm not an expert or anything, I just love taking photographs. Rodney explains RAW very well in his post - very similar to the way I think about blown highlights.
Another thing about shooting in RAW is that it is what the file looks like before the camera adjusts the white balance, and any other effects like boosted saturation or higher contrast that you've dialled in. Compact cameras normally do this for you, and the results might actually be quite attractive, but it doesn't give you any choice in the matter.
Some subjects, that are either white, or nearly black, or even worse black and white (zebra, black capped bulbul) are really only possible to photograph well in that golden hour early morning or late afternoon. My wildebeest are nearly always black blobs, or washed out grey when I try to shoot them at midday.

One thing I did when I started taking photos, was to shoot in aperture priority mode. The camera handles your shutter speed, while you have control over the depth of field. It gives you a really good idea of how the camera works, without overloading your brain with details. Also, using spot metering and checking what the camera thinks is the right shutter speed, is very interesting and gives you a good idea of what the camera sees as 'light' and 'dark'.

The learning curve is very steep, and I'm nowhere near plateau yet. At least I'm starting to grasp what I actually did wrong when I do get a 'booboo'  ;D

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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2010, 08:58:01 am »
Thanks for all the input gents, just one more question.
How would one use the spot metering, effectively ?

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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2010, 09:11:31 am »
The cameras eval metering will strive to make the whole scene you shoot conform to 18% grey  - IE it will try average out the whole pic to have the tonality of an 1*% grey card
 Now if for example , you had a smallish brightly lit bird on a dark background , neither the bird nor the background will be exposed properly , the bird will be overexposed as the camera tries to make the predominant black background be 18% grey. What you really want is the bird to be correctly exposed and thus you would use a very narrow "beam" of metering on the bird alone and the camera will expose correctly for the small thing you want exposed correctly.
Problem is , you often have to meter and recompose this way unless the item of interest is dead centre on the screen.
The great thing about digital photography is you can try various things and see the results instantly :)
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2010, 09:15:40 am »
The cameras eval metering will strive to make the whole scene you shoot conform to 18% grey  - IE it will try average out the whole pic to have the tonality of an 1*% grey card
 Now if for example , you had a smallish brightly lit bird on a dark background , neither the bird nor the background will be exposed properly , the bird will be overexposed as the camera tries to make the predominant black background be 18% grey. What you really want is the bird to be correctly exposed and thus you would use a very narrow "beam" of metering on the bird alone and the camera will expose correctly for the small thing you want exposed correctly.
Problem is , you often have to meter and recompose this way unless the item of interest is dead centre on the screen.
The great thing about digital photography is you can try various things and see the results instantly :)


That's pretty much it.

Most decent cameras will also have an exposure-hold function for if your subject is not in the centre of the frame. Spot-meter on the subject, hold the shutter halfway-down, compose your shot, and shoot. That way it keeps the exposure metering for your measured spot.
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Re: Camera
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2010, 06:38:23 pm »
The cameras eval metering will strive to make the whole scene you shoot conform to 18% grey  - IE it will try average out the whole pic to have the tonality of an 1*% grey card
 Now if for example , you had a smallish brightly lit bird on a dark background , neither the bird nor the background will be exposed properly , the bird will be overexposed as the camera tries to make the predominant black background be 18% grey. What you really want is the bird to be correctly exposed and thus you would use a very narrow "beam" of metering on the bird alone and the camera will expose correctly for the small thing you want exposed correctly.
Problem is , you often have to meter and recompose this way unless the item of interest is dead centre on the screen.
The great thing about digital photography is you can try various things and see the results instantly :)


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Re: Camera
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2010, 09:37:05 pm »
Thanks, you all have been a wealth of information.

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Re: Camera
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2010, 08:25:18 am »
I'm too lazy to check the 450D, but my Nikon has an EL button on the back for Exposure Lock, this is very handy for high contrast scenes, and for stitching pics together for panoramas. So you can point at the subject you want correctly lit, press and hold EL, and recompose the pic and press the shutter.
Have you tried Picasa for tweaking colour and contrast and just easy viewing of you pics? It's free, and it works really well for simple editing. http://www.filehippo.com/download_picasa/

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Re: Camera
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2010, 12:38:40 pm »
I have been playing around a bit more this weekend.
Did some night shots as well as some early morning shots.
It's fun and you learn as you go along.
I would like a better lens however.