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Gerhard

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Drum sander
« on: August 29, 2010, 12:31:51 pm »
I have spent many back breaking hours sanding down hardwood panels that I made by gluing strips of wood together. I have been unsuccessful so far to do this in a way that would require minimal sanding :-\. I then discovered that there are things like drum sanders. You know, like a thicknesser but with a sanding drum not cutting blades. I instantly realized that this is what I needed and proceeded to try and find one.

I also instantly discovered two things:

  • Drum sanders are expensive (unless you want a one-job-Ryobi - if you're lucky it will last for the whole job!)
  • Drum sanders are big.

Two things I don't have in abundance...

So what was left for me to do? BUILD ONE ;)!

The two most important elements of a drum sander IMO are the motor and the drum. The motor as far as its size/strength is concerned. I first tried a 0.33kW motor and it was way too "lig-in-die-broek" (under powered for the non-Afrikaans speaking folk) so I then went for a 0.75kW - which is what you'll see in the pictures. This puppy is strong!

My biggest headache was the drum. I wanted one that is at least 500mm wide (I'll probably not build a speaker that is deeper than 500mm I hope!). The drum sanders I have seen all have drums in the region of 100mm in diameter. I don't have a steel lathe so my options were severely limited. Fortunately my brother has a contact for an industrial engineering shop that his business uses regularly who can build pretty much anything you can draw! So I drew what I wanted and this guy built it! AND, he did for free as a thank you for all the business my brother's company is giving him you see ;D. I had to pay for the motor tho :'(. One thing I never even thought of though is the balance of the drum. I never specified that it should be balanced! I discovered that an unbalanced steel drum that weighs about 10kg spinning at 1410 rpm tends to jump around a bit ::). When sanding this turns out to be a non-issue but it is something I want to look into at a later stage.

All the drum sanders I have seen are non-portable. They are floor standing machines that take up a lot of space. Mine would be different from the norm. Instead of the wood being fed through the machine like with thicknessers the machine in my case would ride over the wood. While mine turned out bigger and heavier than I had originally had in mind it is still portable and doesn't take up nearly as much space as other designs.

Actually I am lying! My biggest headache was not the drum (after having it made professionally that is) but the mechanism to adjust the sanding depth. As many things in life the simplest is often the best. You'll see in the pictures how I did it and it works very well.

So!

Parts - pre painting




The slots in the 5mm thick motor base plate I cut with a Dremmel - believe it or not! I went through many discs but I don't know how else I would have done it (apart from drilling rows of holes and filing them down into slots - I am not a masochist). The "ear" with the hole in sticking out of the base plate is for tightening the drive belt. It has a threaded hole at the bottom (which you can see in a picture below) that I can put a bolt through (I'll take a picture if you can't figure out how this works ;)).

Frame base - painted with casters attached


Frame with drum housing attached


Drum fitted to the frame using pillow block bearings.


You can see that the drum shaft even has a slot for a linchpin! Amazing what one can draw on paper...

to be continued...

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 09:19:11 am »
Looks good :) How will you control that monster to not run away ?

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 10:08:23 am »
By being very careful ;)

I only thought of that after using it for what, about 2 seconds :o! I still need to come up with an idea to address this. An obvious one is to use a push-to-make switch instead of the DPDT I am using currently, so if for whatever reason your finger leaves the switch the machine stops. I would have to find a switch that would be comfortable to use though.

Any other ideas?

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 10:15:03 am »
By being very careful ;)

I only thought of that after using it for what, about 2 seconds :o! I still need to come up with an idea to address this. An obvious one is to use a push-to-make switch instead of the DPDT I am using currently, so if for whatever reason your finger leaves the switch the machine stops. I would have to find a switch that would be comfortable to use though.

Any other ideas?

How about a foot operated switch?

Can you post a pic of what you are sanding - I am very curious?

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2010, 10:19:54 am »
A foot pedal is also an option - thanks.

I don't have a something to sand yet - well not something that I built the thing specifically but that will come fairly soon. I will post the remainder on the pictures I have tonight though. I have tested it on a 38mm thick plank of walnut that is a bit curved out of shape. Will post that tonight.

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2010, 10:50:53 am »
Very nice work Gerhard!

Question:  Drum sanders usually have a mechanism that feeds the wood through at an appropriate rate while applying clamping pressure between the wood and the sanding drum.  How will you implement that?  The sanding pressure is especially important.  If you don't have that, the sandpaper will tend to bounce around on an uneven piece of wood and cause some drama for you.

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2010, 11:03:15 am »
The weight of the sander itself does most of that. Also I would shim off very little at a time - as much as good results dictate. It would work in the same way  drum sanders do that are used for sanding wood floors - sort of...

I have only tested the machine on a 200mm (ish) wide piece with very good results. I still have to try a 400-500mm wide piece. I hope and pray I get similar results...

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2010, 11:11:41 am »
Alternatively you could make it a cannon that fires pieces of wood at crazy speeds :D

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2010, 11:16:04 am »
Ja - ja.  :D

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 04:44:22 pm »
Here are the rest of the pictures.

Electrical motor installed with sanding paper applied


Sanding depth adjustment mechanism


Motor wiring






In action


End result


You can see to the left of center the rise to the pre-sanded level and to the right the sanded level. It took several passes to get to this level.

I am quite chuffed with the end result. I need to prove the machine on the real thing still but that will happen quickly now since I have the machine. It is going to have to do its bit on 450x1100x38mm walnut panels fairly soon. I will definitely post pictures of the progress.

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2010, 04:49:26 pm »
Here are the rest of the pictures.

Electrical motor installed with sanding paper applied

Motor wiring

You can see to the left of center the rise to the pre-sanded level and to the right the sanded level. It took several passes to get to this level.

I am quite chuffed with the end result. I need to prove the machine on the real thing still but that will happen quickly now since I have the machine. It is going to have to do its bit on 450x1100x38mm walnut panels fairly soon. I will definitely post pictures of the progress.

That is one nice piece of wood. Looks excellent!!!

Wouldnt you have more control feeding the wood with the machine static? Just from the point of view of having a dead switch for if things go wrong...

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2010, 05:12:27 pm »
That is one nice piece of wood. Looks excellent!!!

Yeah, American walnut is my favorite. My inspiration is Chario which to me are some of the most beautiful speakers money can buy.

Wouldnt you have more control feeding the wood with the machine static? Just from the point of view of having a dead switch for if things go wrong...

I will have to play around with various techniques. I can certainly clamp down the sander and feed the wood through if that turns out to be a better method. I think sanding down a little at a time should do the trick though.

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2010, 07:46:48 pm »
Well done. that is very nicely executed from start to finish. - VERY IMPRESSED  ;)
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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2010, 08:55:48 pm »
Thank you all ;)

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Re: Drum sander
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2010, 10:02:26 pm »
Excellent work, hope our BMG guys gave you a good deal on the parts 8)