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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2010, 03:46:12 pm »


Q2: Skinny, are you thinking about a DAC and headphone amp in one?

Well Gert does have the schematics for it, I have the prototype. Just needs to be put in a better housing, have a volume control added and hopefully Gert will add a crossfeed filter too

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2010, 03:51:53 pm »
Now that would be "berry" cool.  8)
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2010, 04:00:38 pm »
The proto is brilliant !! just not a finished product, as Gert said himself
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2010, 04:37:46 pm »
Hello guys

New but a long time lurker in this forum.
Hmmm where can I get Gert's HP amp? I see proto's out, but are we gonna see some mass production soon?

Currently, i'm using portable amp: ibasso, banzai v8 and some cmoys.

Oh if anyone here's selling their hd 650 senns, let me know.

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2010, 04:42:33 pm »
Hello guys

New but a long time lurker in this forum.
Hmmm where can I get Gert's HP amp? I see proto's out, but are we gonna see some mass production soon?

Currently, i'm using portable amp: ibasso, banzai v8 and some cmoys.

Oh if anyone here's selling their hd 650 senns, let me know.

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Welcome,

Gert is a busy man but does make time to put out kits.


Theres a member here, Rodney, selling some Senns
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2010, 06:49:33 pm »
Thanks Skinny.

'me want gert dac/amp' :))

Don't we have the numbers here for a group buy kit?

OT: where can i get 8 pin DIP dual opamps? they're not available at RSE and avnet kopp. Any suggestions guys..

Thanks again AVF


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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2010, 08:01:02 pm »
Gees, I had a little internetlessness and here I find things were humming along just fine without me, hehe!

There's a million options to consider, but if this has any chance of getting off the ground we will have to limit the requests. I'll monitor this thread for a while to see what you guys come up with and then try and compile a list of realistic features. You guys should also consider taking Ludo up on his offer of supplying ready built modules before he changes his mind. I know how much time something like that takes...

Like I said, I'll gladly put together a design and organise a run of PCB's, but that is about the time I have at the moment. You guys need to decide if you want to go full bang and go completely DIY or if you want to take up Ludo on his generous offer. Or maybe Ludo and I should start a tag team. Hmmm....

But, if I was gonna go balls to the wall, I'd still get that Millet unit. I must admit I've never listened to it, but it's not so expensive that it'll break the bank. If I didn't have a million other things going on I'd probably go for something like that myself. But then again, I'm a cheapskate so there.

Anyway, super tired. Spent 12 straight hrs driving, so I'm gonna go look for a place to go pass out...

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2010, 08:33:17 pm »
Hello Gert

Thanx man. We appreciate all the effort and rest up well. Believe me I know about doing long distance driving. Had to roll out 20 odd rural sites last year alone.

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2010, 09:31:40 pm »
Since I'm a noob here I guess I have to pay respect to the DIY masters.

Rest well Master Gert.

I'm no solder dude so I might go for Ludo's offer. Btw, what's Ludo's offer? Already built PCBs?
Perhaps I should throw him a pm.




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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2010, 10:16:33 pm »
I've been making the drawings. Schematics so you can see what you're in for if you want to go this way. DACs are not things that I'm keen on, being an analog sort. I am trying to do something DAC-wise for Rodney but that is very over the top and single-purpose and will not be a particularly repeatable exercise. If it works out even...

I'm also happy to put up the board layouts in .pdf (I know zip about gerber files) for guys that really want to DIY it all from scratch. Making up kits of parts and packaging/posting to everyone's requirement strikes me as a PITA. Making enclosures even more so. I'm a shockingly bad metal/woodworker and that's usually where the real money goes. So it's either complete working boards or just the complete plans, which are free then.

If anyone wants the final word in a finished product, I think Schalk has mentioned such a possibility. Better to check with him if such a thing is still in the pipeline.

Will post the story in the DIY part of forum when done. Must have a careful look at the Millet circuit some time too. Not sure if it is public domain etc.



PS A good nights rest to you Gert. Jeez, I just got up!

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2010, 01:19:07 am »
I'd definitely be keen on a kit, and probably a finished product if I get lazy / busy  ;)

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2010, 03:50:42 am »
Alright, I've gone back and forth on this one a little. These suggestions are full of bias for what I'd like to see, so keep that in mind ;D

Let's look at the HP amp design:
1. There's the TPA6120 that I've put together a few times. I like this one very, very much. Skinny has a proto of this one and he seems to like it too.
2. There's Ludo's design, which I must admit I've not heard. But his abilities speak for itself and he does have an interesting design.
3. There's the Millet Hybrid, something that also interests me greatly. I doubt it'll perform technically on the level of the above two designs, but we all know that there's more to a design than just specs. There's also a few things in favour of this design, like the diamond buffer topology that I'm a big advocate for.

I think it's important that we consider which topology we go for prior to talking too much about features. I'd like to see this culminate into something, so forgive me if I'm the baddie that has to make the cold, hard decisions :D

Here's a quick good/bad for the above: (Forgive me Ludo, please insert comments applicable to you)
TPA6120 Good
- Brilliant specs
- Brilliant results
- Cheapish (around R600-R700 without a case if I had to guess)
TPA6120 Bad
- I've built many and I'm bored with it
- Will be in kit form, no ready assembled option
- Nothing else really.

Ludo's creation Good
- Very interesting design
- He's prepared to assemble them for you
- Not sure about price
- I believe it would have brilliant specs and sound as well.
Ludo's creation Bad
- Can't say, I hope Ludo gives us a price though, so we can get a feel for it.

Millet Hybrid Good
- An interesting design
- Many, many built over at diyforums.org and HeadFi
- It uses valves. :D
- I'm keen to try it, but I'm being biased  ;D
- PCB has already been designed and can be bought for around R200 landed.
Millet Hybrid Bad
- Gonna be expensive. Around R2k for the complete kit with boutique parts and case. Maybe around R1400 without the case and boutique parts.
- Shipping will be another R400 or so. Can help if we get many of these to save on shipping and the discounted rate.
- Will be a kit, not ready assembled.

Then there's the USB option:
1. Use a PCM2702. Done this, ok sound. Hardly in the league of the HP amps though, but very simple and cheap
2. At Beezar.com they have the grubDAC. This also uses one of the PCM27xx devices, but it has a much better Wolfson DAC. Kit is $50 with a case, $35 without.
3. Get a Musiland 01US device. This uses Async transfers on the USB bus using an FPGA and has a good dac as well. Costs $80 landed and is so worth it.

This about all you gonna get out of me for now. Why don't you guys discuss these options amongst yourselves for a bit and see what comes out? I'm also hoping Ludo will pipe in with some pricing for his creation  ;)

I also understand that not everyone will want to spend the same amount of cash on this, but for this to work we need to get as many guys interested in the same thing as possible, to save on parts, shipping and time.
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2010, 05:30:38 am »
Here's my best head amp , made by Alan Hobkirk , something has gone wong with it , it needs to go back to him
I have no idea of the topology- but it sounded wonderful  - problem is it weighs more than 20kg!!!
I dont think there is any significant market here for upscale hp amps ,  DIY would narrow that dramtically.
I would prefer to swap my 650's for something like another set of phones - but my selling price would be R3.5k
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2010, 07:43:38 am »
Hello Gert/Ludo

I'd be interested in the:

TPA6120 Good
- Brilliant specs
- Brilliant results
- Cheapish (around R600-R700 without a case if I had to guess)

Or which ever design is agreed on to give us the best bang for buck!! I'm not a fan of USB, as its a very finnicky I/O standard. Not at all stable in the computer environment. I still believe in parallel printers.

- for me the components and pcb will do. Assembly can be handled...

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2010, 07:52:11 am »
I'm not a fan of USB, as its a very finnicky I/O standard. Not at all stable in the computer environment. I still believe in parallel printers.

Jeesh! Would that be "old school" or "old fart"? ;D

Do you still get parallel printers? Some Notebooks don't even have parallel or serial output ;)
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