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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2010, 04:15:53 pm »
I'd be interested as well Mr. G. Will have to make use of the DIY section a lot for assistance though :-[

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2010, 04:34:52 pm »
Big time Eish :D

Thanx for all the replies, I had no idea there was so much interest :o :o :o

I am at the mercy of you chaps. I am big time into two channel Hi End and this "can" issue is relatively new to me and only really listened to my Dad's as a young lad.
I would pay the R12k for the Woo if i did not have R130k mains, so 3.5 to 5k is in the ball park. Rodney where are you situated?
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2010, 04:51:28 pm »
Good lord, don't tell me Gert is actually considering helping us poor normals put together a group DIY kit buy  :o too awesome! I remember, the gerdac is actually one of the reason's I joined the forum back in the day. sadly discontinued by the time i heard of it though.

And ludo? whatever happened to his schemes of making a headamp kit? i remember mention of such a thing many moons ago...
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2010, 05:10:27 pm »
Hey Gert,

That kit looks promising. Have you listened to this one?

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2010, 05:59:50 pm »
595 and 600 range work exceptionally well with valve based HP amps , you have to try that as well a SS
You can make your amp into a HP amp with a few resistors and a jack - lots of diagrams on the net like this one
http://sound.westhost.com/project100.htm
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2010, 09:03:12 pm »
You can make your amp into a HP amp with a few resistors and a jack - lots of diagrams on the net like this one
http://sound.westhost.com/project100.htm

It works and many integrated amps do just that but it is a bit like taming a V8 car for the wife by permanently applying the handbrake....

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2010, 09:16:41 pm »
I made this thing. Looks a bit like a dog's breakfast but works pretty well. Very similar to a Rod Elliot kit (Project 113) It sort of grew back in that direction after lots of sukkeling with other ideas with cascode output stages. A pair of 15-0-15V transformers connect to the blue terminal blocks (or you could use a single one.) The grounds are linked at the headphone plug of course. If you want real "monoblocks" you could fit a 4pin XLR to the cans and keep things separate. Output impedance is low but there is provision for adding an output resistor on the PCB if that floats your boat. This one had NE5534s but most any single opamp will work. There is provision for "inner loop" compensation (I'm sure there's an educated name for that) The outputs (2SB649/2SD669) idle at 100mA so things are in Class A up to silly levels. If you look carefully at the bad pic you'll see the output transistors are mounted in pairs on top of each other. The top one is the bias reference. Gets freakin' hot like it is in the pic. If one adds a big plate to the heatsink it works fine. There are 2 LEDs at each opamp that allow nulling the offset voltage due to opamp input bias current to a fraction of a millivolt. Input impedance is about 100kOhm. Coupling cap is 330nF so bass cut is at 5Hz or so. The output bias current is set by 2 JFets matched for the purpose, and the opamp output stage is pulled into class A by a third JFet.

Think it's about time I draw it out and put it in the DIY section.

Lots of tweaking and adjustment possible. But all of that guided by one's own oscilloscope and at one's own risk. I have made these with 100MHz GBWP video opamps and somehow got it stable into 2nF, I think, but I'm not at all convinced that it is a sensible thing to do. The TPA chip and an output resistor is the way to go if one wants insane slew-rate on paper etc.

I'm willing to make complete (populated & tested) PCBs like this so you can just add transformers wires pots and plugs of your choice. And a box of course with a suitably big heatsink plate. PCB is 145mm x 96mm. Will suck my thumb about a price if there is interest. It is not particularly cheap but should be a lot less than importing.

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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2010, 09:31:24 pm »
Very cool, Gert, Ludo et al! I'd be interested. A PCB with premounted SMT would be great, the rest would be simple to do...keep us posted.
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2010, 09:23:55 am »
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2010, 11:38:41 am »
Would a Grado SR60i need a dedicated amp? I have it connected to the Rotel RC1070 heaphone out. I am no where near as technical as you guys so making a heaphone amp would seem like rocket science for me, but i would like to learn some kind of DIY skill, sucks having to buy everything when you can actually do it yourself.
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2010, 11:51:57 am »
This one looks good.  They offer PCB's, components, etc.

http://www.amb.org/audio/mmm/


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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2010, 12:09:53 pm »
Would a Grado SR60i need a dedicated amp? I have it connected to the Rotel RC1070 heaphone out. I am no where near as technical as you guys so making a heaphone amp would seem like rocket science for me, but i would like to learn some kind of DIY skill, sucks having to buy everything when you can actually do it yourself.

The grado's would benefit from the use of an amp, for sure. luckily you already have a great amp in the form of the rotel RC1070  ;)
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2010, 02:53:51 pm »
Good to Know that I have my foot in the door already. where would i go for DIY beginner kit for something like this without breaking the bank? Looking at the DIY section of the forum makes me feel like anything is possible, maybe this would be my ticket in.
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2010, 03:02:44 pm »
Well lets hope Gert notices I posted that I have 5 of the opamps needed and 5 DACS so he canpout together a kit for us
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Re: Head Amp
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2010, 03:28:07 pm »
What do you guys think of the Pro-ject Headbox?

Q2: Skinny, are you thinking about a DAC and headphone amp in one?
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