Valve Audio Predator for charity

[Schalk]

I could help with setting up a FB group... Schalk...?

Thanks Ghostie,

It seems to be well covered from their side on FB though. I think confusion will reign if too much is done from all over. AVSA is working on some scheme already, and some others might pitch in to create awareness. As soon as all details are worked out and the proper route is established tickets will be sold in "cyber form" or hard paper. I do not know about those things. My share in this is to build the amp and hand over, then step away. This is all above board.

So heads up guys, this is not going away, the cogs are meshing in ways and places I do not know. BUT IT IS HAPPENING SOON. Break your piggy banks, disconnect or don't pay your DSTV or whatever and get the money ready. It is for a very good cause!

[Andrew]

Thanks Ghostie,

It seems to be well covered from their side on FB though. I think confusion will reign if too much is done from all over. AVSA is working on some scheme already, and some others might pitch in to create awareness. As soon as all details are worked out and the proper route is established tickets will be sold in "cyber form" or hard paper. I do not know about those things. My share in this is to build the amp and hand over, then step away. This is all above board.

So heads up guys, this is not going away, the cogs are meshing in ways and places I do not know. BUT IT IS HAPPENING SOON. Break your piggy banks, disconnect or don't pay your DSTV or whatever and get the money ready. It is for a very good cause!

Cool, well just let me know all relevant contact details for interested parties, so that when we publicise it we have the right contact person/s and details, etc.,, to allow those interested to start buying tickets, giving donations. The moment I have all those details I'll start making moves this side. We might even be able to place a news item inthe July issue. All I need is the info.

[Schalk]

Cool, well just let me know all relevant contact details for interested parties, so that when we publicise it we have the right contact person/s and details, etc.,, to allow those interested to start buying tickets, giving donations. The moment I have all those details I'll start making moves this side. We might even be able to place a news item inthe July issue. All I need is the info.

Work in progress Andrew, will know in a day or two which format would be best according to the administrators.

[Schalk]

OK Guys, the people that know about these things reckon selling tickets means printing tickets at some cost, which obviously deducts from "profits" for the fund.

They reckon one of the best ways, although it still costs some, is an SMS effort whereby people are given options of different amounts, and at the same time their details are captured because of the way the system works.

There are other options too, but in the end it means whatever amount is finally generated gets paid over to the beneficiary fund account. All of this organising leaves me stumped and cold. See what a techie knows about stuff like this.

I thought, very simple: I build an amp and give it to someone to hold. Now people get the chance to buy tickets, or whatever method is chosen. Then finally when the last penny drops into the pot, a draw (hopefully monitored / audited) is done and the 1st, 2nd, and whatever follows prizewinners are announced. Now how difficult can that be.

WRONG! Of course there is more to it than that. We need someone to set up a framework and handle this (even at a charge, but preferably not, remember the cause?  )

Any suggestions please, any help out there please? Time is running and there is not a heck of a lot of time.
Below answers from the very helpful people of the "The Impossible Journey" project.


> Hallo Schalk,
>
> Hiermee meer input oor die kaartjie verkope vir die klankversterker:
>
> 1.   Mens kan kaartjies/lotte op die web verkoop dmv iest soos 'paypal' -
> hier sal mens wel komissie moet afstaan aan die organisasie wat dit dan
> manage
> 2.   Mense kan op die website hul details invul (daar kan dan 'n
> automatiese e-pos gestuur word om hul dankie te se en ook verdere inligting
> te gee. Dan sal die inskrywer 'n oorbetaling maak met bv hul email as
> reference, waarna 'n persoon dan die mails en bankdetails sal moet check en
> 'n e-mail stuur met hul unieke nommer wat deel van die raffle is.
> 3.   SMS lyn - hierdie is 'n baie suksesvolle opsie en daar is verskeie
> maniere om dit te gebruik.
>    Die SMS lyn, kan gebruik word sodat mense sms om bydrae te gee (R5
> of R10) en ook vir die raffle in te skryf. Daardeur ontvang hul dan hul
> unieke inskrywingsnommer.
>    Die geld gaan dan sommer op hul foonrekening af en dis baie maklilk
> en vinning vir mense om deel te neem.
>
> Verdere input is dat mense baie daarvan hou om 'n keuse te he, R100 per
> kaartjie mag dalk baie voel vir mense wat nie betrokke is, maar bereid is om
> iets be te dra. Daar kan oorweeg word om nog iets kleiners ook deel van die
> raffle te maak, en dan bv te enter vir die R30 of die R100 raffle. Of
> alternatief kan mens net die sms lyn R5 of R10 maak vir bydrae.
>
> Hoop hierdie gee vir jou bietjie meer duidelikheid.  Hoor graag weer van jou.

mooie dag.

mimi

[leonsound]

Hello People!

This is a great idea, I'd like to add my 2c:

1) Our wonderful Lotteries Act allows only one raffle in the country at a time, and that's the one where all the money goes to ... well who knows where most of it ends up. Essentially it means any small scale raffle is illegal unless you get the proper permission and comply with lots of red tapish stuff.  No time for that.  For that reason the lawyers may not want to get involved, and even AVSA would need to check the facts before going public.  The reason small raffles still thrive is that they're too small and below the radar.

2) Unless the cell networks have a soft spot and different approach for charity events, between 20% and 45% of the money paid by subscribers will be swallowed by the cell networks before the remainder is paid over to the end user.

I suggest a simpler approach:
1) Select a committee / person who will run with this
2) The potential volumes need to be tested and a minimum ticket sale set in order for the raffle to continue, else Schalk and others willing to help can rather do something else.
3) To do this, people on this forum must "pledge" the amount of tickets they commit to take. They do this in the form of an email to the committee / person. If this proves that there is sufficient interest within a certain time frame, the next step follows.
4) Next step is to actually buy tickets. You do this by email + EFT into the account of the committee / person (I guess the committee will have a treasurer). Unless you are superstitious / bad with basic math, the next number is simply allocated to you by the committee / person. The numbering system itself is simply a spreadsheet with numbered lines, and columns for Name, Contact Details etc.
5) On the day of the big draw, the committee must arrange an event where at least a couple of the forum members who are also ticket holders can physically convene. Just enough so that the rest of us who can't be there will be happy that the proceedings would have been above board. The raffle itself is a bunch of same sized pieces of paper with numbers corresponding to sold ticket numbers. A pretty girl pulls it from a hat. This is unless AVSA gets really involved and goes a whole gala event to support this

Around all of this must be an awareness campaign that will reach as many as possible people (unless this raffle will have a set maximum number of tickets, but I guess not, or very high limit at the very least). How this is done is tricky - can't quite go national news yet need to reach those most likely to be interested. Personally I think word of mouth and internet & email are the best & cheapest options, and the fastest to get off the ground, we all know other people with interests in hi-fi.  If AVSA can mention something publicly it would be great but you shouldn't wait for that / bargain on that.

Regards
Leon

[leonsound]

Hello,

Unless there is some announcement being worked on in the back ground, this idea seems to have died. 

This fund raising raffle needs only one thing to get off the ground - and that is a single person who says "we can do this, I'll run with it!"   I'm not that person, but I am sure that person is on this forum somewhere.... please stand up! 
In terms of a few people possibly forming a committee to spread the work to be done, I think the obvious choice would be one of the groups of people who already know each other offline.

Lets hope we can do this!
Regards
Leon

[Schalk]

Thanks Leon,

Indeed we are trying to find a way to implement this that will not "suck up" all the funds raised in admin and handling. I suggested to Andrew a few days back that perhaps an easy way would be to decide on a "ticket" price. Now get the "ticket buying" individual to do an EFT or direct bank deposit into the fund account already set up with the attorneys down in the Cape. That way we do not need to set up a special account and the money is already where it is meant to be, no transfer costs either moving what might hopefully become a huge amount.

He/she then faxes/e-mails or whatever, proof of this deposit to the person/group of persons (the admin side here). Admin then acknowledges receipt of payment proof to the depositor and allocates a number to this person. The person has the number, and that same number obviously sits with that person's name on a list with admin. This way we do not need to have "tickets" printed at a steep price (unless someone else wants to donate those for the cause and hopefully after a gazillion people have bought into this, a draw is done under the scrutiny of some of those members you mention in your mail. Guys that know one another and will be able to vouch that the draw was free and fair.

Andrew indicates and rightly so that they can promote this, but they do not have the manpower to run the operation.

We really need someone with the knowhow,time and the WILL to stand up and say. "This is my way of contributing". There has to be someone willing out there. For obvious reasons I cannot do it as my part is only to supply the amplifier.

I need some help here please guys! 

[Ampdog]

Is somebody going ahead with "the way forward"?

(Can't offer myself because I know nothing about the suggested ways, but who does, and where are we now?)

[Schalk]

Is somebody going ahead with "the way forward"?

(Can't offer myself because I know nothing about the suggested ways, but who does, and where are we now?)

Hi Oom Johan

Indeed, someone is tinkering with the arrangements for this, and I'm plugging away at building the amp.
I have every confidence in the tinkerer and promise to reveal all when ready

[LAV]

Holding thumbs!

[Schalk]

Holding thumbs!

Yep! so am I 
We now have two daring fellows on board hammering out a plan of operation and max exposure. Let us lift them up and bless them!

[silversonic]

Very noble.

Acts 20 verse 35 "There is more happiness in giving than in receiving"

[surfsup]

Hey Guys, Can I dare ask the question. How much is needed for the operation?

[surfsup]

OK. I read the forum properly and saw the amount of R140 000 needed. When does she turn 5? ie. how much time is left to get this together?

[Schalk]

Hi surfsup,

Thank you for showing interest

According to her father with whom I spoke about 3 weeks ago, just about enough has been deposited by different means and projects to cover her operation. The thing to remember though is that this fund that has been established, is to cover for other children with similar types of eye anomalies as well. Therefore we are going on regardless and like I mentioned in a previous post, the cogs are turning. There are two members with valuable contacts who are well versed in the process of setting up the "marketing" behind this little effort of ours plotting out a course. Soon the process shall be announced here and a start and finish date after which a randomized draw will take place, most likely under the scrutiny of legal representation for peace of mind.

This has not gone away, and never will either. It just takes time. We are aiming for maximum exposure here to maximize the success of the contribution towards the fund. A month or two at the most and we should be rolling.

This is all for a good cause and therefore deserves the correct procedure. It will be announced on this forum so nobody should lose out on a chance to win.

The Trust Account is managed by the attorneys mentioned below, all above board. Once deposits for the raffle start, all moneys will go directly into this account, and nowhere else.

Web address www.theimpossiblejourney.co.za

Rauch / Gertenbach Trust
Account number: 404 855 6299
Bank: Absa Mossel Bay
Ref: Carly Piater Trust
Or please contact Jaco Fourie or Danie Acker at Rauch / Gertenbach attorneys if you want to make a donation to the Carly Piater Trust for ROP.
DANIE ACKER
(Sekretaresse: Gerda Claassen)
Tel: 044 691 2515         044 691 2515
Fax: 086 688 2230