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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2010, 09:58:22 am »
Methinks you are fine with the Cambridge cd unit, and personally I'd take the VA unit over the Krell.

I can only agree with dotVIBE.  The Cambridge is a very good cd-player and its Wolfson DAC is widely regarded as being of very high quality. It seems therefore that the amplification side of your set-up needs first some attention and I honestly cannot think of a better solution than the Valve Audio Predator.

You can then later have a look at maybe getting a cdp with balanced (XLR) outputs to match the Predator`s high quality balanced inputs. In my system there have been improvements of using the balanced option against singe ended (rca). But you will need a cdp with a true balanced topology (as with the Predator) to get the full benefits.

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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2010, 10:07:27 am »
Just wondering, how often does one have to replace the Tubes in a Tube/Hybrid system?

simphiwes, it seems that it depends on what type of quality tubes/valves are used. The VA amps are well known to be very reliable.  It is also easy and not expensive to replace the tubes when needed.  By I think Schalk from Valve Audio is best qualified to advise and comment on your question.

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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2010, 12:11:33 am »
If your main area of concern is the bass, you may need to consider changing your speakers instead of the amp. However, with regards to changing your rotel amps, you might find that your rotel excells at certain types of music than others and so does the valve audio(see the review on va website). With this in mind, you may want to explore the idea of "building" more that one system, if you music tastes are beyond certain genres. My understanding is that a valve audio is not sutitable for rock/dance music. I would advise you to have an auditon with all types of music that you like playing.  I have listened to va pre/power combination(cannot recall which model) at sfriend's house and he was playing an lp  record . My point is eloguently illustrated in the December 2009 issue of Hifi World. On page 52, under the "letters "section, the letter to the editor goes as follows:

"Two guys are arguing in a bar: One has an all "Naim" solid state sound system worth 25k sterling and another has an all tube/valve system (Audio Note) of the same value. However, the two systems sound very different. Their question to the editor is: which system is more accurate to to the original sound.  The editors' respones(two editors)  are not so clear, but to summarise:

1) you should relax and stop thinking about it. It is a bit like the meaning of life really: by the time you have worked it out  it is too late. Best not bother.
2) Logicaly, there can only be one "truth", and the better hi-fi gets. the closer it should take us to it.
3) However, even high-end systems are a long way to the truth and lower end systems are even further.




4) Designers "horn in" on a particular aspect of sound (what he would argue as the defining aspect) and go all the way to achieve this.







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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2010, 09:40:56 am »
i see your point moog. but i wasnt looking for the ever elusive audio nirvana. i was looking for something better not different from what i have. i am very sober in the understanding that there is no such thing as "true the the original sound" though of late i think vinly get very close to it. the only way in my opinion to experience music in a realistic way would be to be there, go the the live show/concert. With hifi i try and recreate what happened in the studio even though it is fun doing so i dont think i will ever succeed. there are so many varaibles in the "equation". i wasnt in the studio when the music was recorded so i cannot by the furthest stretch of the emagination say my recreation is acurate. I might have a flawed recording which i might be unaware is flawed regardless of the money i have spent on my hifi will ultimately mean the recration is flawed. within the hifi itself the IC's and speaker wire might be causing the recreation to steer on the bright direction or the dark direction, for either cases, this could cause the recreation to be flawed or inaccurate. i have long since allowed the boat of hunting for accuracy sail away. what i do nowadays resides around enjoying what i have playing and for that to end there. Music is very personal, and what i think is the ultimate may be mediocre for the next guy. as the fist editor said, stop thinking about it too much and just enjoy the music.
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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2010, 10:11:43 am »
Simphiwe, what speakers do you have? Is there a particular aspect of your system that you wish to improve by changing your amplifier? As for bass: I believe that, unless the respective amplifiers have very much different performance, the difference in bass delivery will be subtle.
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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2010, 10:20:38 am »
I use the Polk Audio Monitor 40. For my ears they sound decent but if i had the cheese for it i would get some dyna audio bookshelfs. i cant have floorstanders in my bedroom which solve the bass deprivation issue, space doesnt allow it and they would just sound boomy, believe me i have tried it. i have tried the B&W 602S3 in my space and it sounded veiled so it had to go and fortunately i had the polks lying around and they performed well too.

PS: I have added a TT to my set up, the bass issue in that component it sorted.
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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2010, 10:23:55 am »
You might want to consider having some speakers custom made. This will enable you to get the builder to tune them to your requirements.
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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2010, 10:46:02 am »
Hi Shonver, Did you have anyone in mind? I sent you a PM as well.
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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2010, 11:01:38 am »
Replied to your PM. Stuart (Xumbug) of SDA Acoustics does a bit of custom speakers.

Can anybody recommend othe speaker builders?
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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2010, 11:52:08 am »
Replied to your PM. Stuart (Xumbug) of SDA Acoustics does a bit of custom speakers.

Can anybody recommend othe speaker builders?

Maybe Roy from local manufacturer Sonor Audio will also be able to build a custom speaker...?

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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2010, 12:00:23 pm »
Last i checked Roy is in Edenvale i am not sure if thats still the case, i'll check him, he is quiete close to me if that is still the case.
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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2010, 09:11:44 am »
Maybe a bit late,butI own the following - B&W cm7's,yamaha as pre-amp and a Rotel RB 1582(200W) power amp.Speaker cables are bi-wire ecosse.The 1582 is similar to your 1080.I also have B&W 805's with VA Epsilon(150w) and ecosse speaker cables.They certainly sound very different,but I would opt for the VA system anyday.You are welcome to audition any of my systems.The worst mistake that I made was to base my decision on what others said.Listen to the system before you buy!!!!!Oh and I use an Apple Tv as source on both systems............ ::)

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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2010, 09:15:30 am »
Simphiwe,

If you do not fancy the valves, I can recommend a solid state which is seriously good.  Look at one of the baby Krell integrated amps.  I have an old KAV 300i, and that thing is nothing short of fantastic.

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Re: Where to from Rotel?
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2010, 09:57:17 am »
i'll be at your place tomorrow JimGore so you can demo the krell for me, who know i might just like it.
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