Author Topic: AVSA Dec 09/ Jan 2010  (Read 4927 times)

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Re: AVSA Dec 09/ Jan 2010
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2009, 04:44:06 pm »
The bands are using pro-audio equipment on stage----when we replay we need specialized hi-fi equipment ? I thought the idea was to get as close to the stage version as possible. Confused !!


We are completely OT, but that always happens here LOL! I have heard some amazing pro-setups, but that was for stage performances, etc. However I think the biggest difference may be(and I am guessing) that in a home setup you may need a lower noise floor than in live performances. Along a similiar vein, have you seen the power cables some of these guys use?

Some guys on here have already tried pro-equipment in their setups(Behringer EP2500 and A500) and reported very good results. Martin had a setup at I think last years Expo that apparently knocked the socks of many people and that consisted of his home-built speakers driven by multiple EP2500's and active crossovers.

My take on this is try pro stuff and if you like it, you have yourself a bargain.
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Re: AVSA Dec 09/ Jan 2010
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2009, 02:20:28 am »
It is not so much what is posted here that can cause strife, but the way in which. That is why personal (derogatory) remarks, having no on-topic content, often only lead to an unacceptable situation.

FWD,

Regarding your power argument you are broadly correct. Comparing output specs to the rated mains consumption stated on the 'name-plate' can be revealing, as e.g. in the PMPO situation. But as I have it, the stated power drawn is a kind of average; it does not altogether take infrequent peaks into account. In that sense an amplifier can be capable of higher peak output than the stated mains consumption. But then also not to rediculous heights.

I am afraid a proper check will require a circuit diagram with voltages written in, or at least a measurement of such. The rail voltages will reveal the so-called rms output, and depending on the power supply, the absense of 'sag' (i.e. the voltage drop as a result of maintained high output), instantaneous output could be up to twice the rated output (if that was honest in the first place!) for a limited length of time. That is what the Americans term 'music power', a very handy term in my view. Again, to be safe, I am speaking basically. There are many factors which influence this - but not to the extent that output stated can suddenly go to say x6 the rated mains consumption!

About the use of pro-audio equipment: Some of the specs are quite good! They are usually designed to have to work at a relatively high output, and the controls might not be what John Citizen is looking for.

Also one must for a moment consider what is meant by a live performance - that which one wants to replay as faithfully as possible at home. It would be reasonable to assume that the sound reaching the listener's ears at say a rave, determines what he likes. That then includes any character the stage amplification might have. But back home no character must be present from the home system. It must now faithfully reproduce whatever is on the CD. That could make for different design requirements.

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I thought the idea was to get as close to the stage version as possible.
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Re: AVSA Dec 09/ Jan 2010
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2010, 10:46:58 am »
Re: Stage performance needs...

When you are at a stage performance, the hearing facility's judgement is often swamped by the visual facility's judgment of the concert, which is always prioritised, and of course the vibe and the drink.

I don't know, I haven't liked the pro- amps I have heard, admittedly I've only really heard the behringers and samsons, not the presumably more high-end  ::)  pro - equipment - but since my apeakers get by with 30 Watts it probably just doesn't play to the strengths of these amps.
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Re: AVSA Dec 09/ Jan 2010
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2010, 03:40:21 pm »
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I don't know, I haven't liked the pro- amps I have heard, admittedly I've only really heard the behringers and samsons, not the presumably more high-end

Pro-amps can beat Lexicon.  ;)

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Re: AVSA Dec 09/ Jan 2010
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2010, 03:44:45 pm »
Pro-amps can beat Lexicon.  ;)

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Re: AVSA Dec 09/ Jan 2010
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2010, 11:21:07 am »
Ag OK OK I haven't heard pro-amps either, just behringer and samson.
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