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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #90 on: August 15, 2010, 04:35:36 pm »




Letters apply to the 2 new pictures above. (this modified 301 is not mine)

S is an opaque sheet with a thin vertical slit, that moves with the arm bearing B.
Light passes through the slit on to mirrors M1, then M2, then M3, and then up through a hole H in the motor-board onto a viewing screen V, with a hairline calibration mark to give a 'light pointer' showing when the stylus was exactly in a particular position.
What is so important about that position I do not know - maybe in a dark studio it was difficult to line up the stylus with the lead-in groove.


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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2010, 05:21:59 pm »
I wonder how they kept that lot from leaking oil?  So the platter spindle was pushed-up by solenoid, lifting the platter towards the arm?

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2010, 06:18:15 pm »
Aah, thanks Steerpike

I have often wondered about the BBC's obsession on where the stylus was on the record. THE EMT 927(OOH my weak heart) had a similar thing and EMT 950s were specially built for the BBC (http://www.stefanopasini.it/EMT950_BBC-Addendum_console.htm)with similar-surely you can just look at the platter? Probably technical directive L675932 subsection C para 7 as issued by the comitee for Swahili childrens programs.

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2010, 11:00:45 pm »
So the platter spindle was pushed-up by solenoid, lifting the platter towards the arm?

Not a solenoid, but a cam driven by a motor through a gearbox (GB). The SABC turntables that JDZA and I have do the same thing by means of a solenoid wound around the platter bearing shaft.

The point of it is to get instant start - the already-rotating platter is lifted up to couple with a much lighter disc - that can rest on supports around the platter (on the garrard these supports are short curved pieces of plastic stuck or screwed on, on the SABC TT, the entire platter metal bezel acts as the disc suppport.

THE EMT 927(OOH my weak heart) had a similar thing and EMT 950s were specially built for the BBC http://www.stefanopasini.it/EMT950_BBC-Addendum_console.htm)with similar-surely you can just look at the platter?

That is quite a sexy control panel!

My Nakamich 500 does something similar: Press a button and one VU meter becomes a tape position meter - if you are too incapacitated to look at the actual cassette itself through the window.

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #94 on: August 15, 2010, 11:10:14 pm »
Thanks! ;D

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #95 on: August 16, 2010, 03:05:31 pm »
JD! The package has arrived -  Thank you very much for that. The cable "hoses" are quite something - they look like they could pipe LOX to the space shuttle!

The parts you got are certainly cleaner than the one I have - I think mine stood in a dank store-room in President street for a few years or decades.

Am I right in thinking THAT motor is the one that blew up - so I should not try to energize it as is?


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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #96 on: August 16, 2010, 05:11:01 pm »
Steerpike

The motor was the one I initially used. When I reassembled the TT there was some sparks coming from the coil. Not sure if something conductive fell in there? :-[

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #97 on: August 16, 2010, 07:18:33 pm »
Awww, JDZA

Thanks ;D but you didn't have to go to all this trouble. Your earlier pics were just fine.

I'll have a glass of special red on your and Steerpike's restores tonight.

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #98 on: August 16, 2010, 08:19:05 pm »
The motor was the one I initially used. When I reassembled the TT there was some sparks coming from the coil. Not sure if something conductive fell in there? :-[

Having removed the rotor, I now see the origin of The Big Bang! I don't think it was anything falling in there - it would have had to be something sharp that was forcefully poked in - piercing the insulation; or just old age. I see it's date stamped April 1976. Quite a major winding burnout - not anything as simple as resoldering a single strand.

That cylinder between the motor and the chassis I see now is ONLY a humongously robust bearing, with an eqally huge reservoir of oil. To relieve the motor bearing of having to take the great thrust of those unsprung idler wheels. That does make the choice of motors very wide - not having to worry about motor bearing specs. 1500 RPM it seems, which is not rare.

I'll have a glass of special red on your and Steerpike's restores tonight.

I still have much to do... and the SP10 has to get primary attention (which will make Shonver happy).

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2010, 05:54:46 pm »
I coudn't find an XLR-LNE plug in my usual supplier's inventories, so went the DIY route...



The burned out motor JDZA has given me, I will be have re-wound soon. It will save a lot of work finding a suitable substitute - which would no doubt be expensive anyway.

For those with a mind for details, it's a Papst 3-phase hysteresis, 4-pole, i.e., 1500RPM

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« Reply #100 on: September 21, 2010, 01:11:19 am »
I might tell you that I'm rather vexed at a particular company...

Last week I phoned R.A.W, and "Mr V", after interrogating me on exactly what type / size / design the Papst motor was, did some calculations and quoted me R654.00 to rewind it. Very affortable, yes. So today I drive about 50km to bloody industrial Germiston with the motor; "V" isn't in; 3 other individuals look at it and say... No, can't do for less that R1500!

So... was "V" trying to do me a special deal at the company's expense? He didn't tell me that was what was going on.

Now a delay while I decide whether to find another rewinding company, or rewind it myself, or fit a substitute motor.


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Re: I'm slightly severely vexed
« Reply #101 on: September 21, 2010, 09:31:03 am »
So... was "V" trying to do me a special deal at the company's expense? He didn't tell me that was what was going on.
Now a delay while I decide whether to find another rewinding company, or rewind it myself, or fit a substitute motor.

Damn ... but unfortunately you get those...

Try a different company...!

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #102 on: October 23, 2010, 09:09:01 pm »
I found - which I had forgotten I had in my box of bits - a never used "new" replacement Papst synchronous motor for a Grundig tape recorder. It's date stamped November 1958!
It's a bit smaller than the original Dok Viljoen, so I hope it has enough torque.
I've been fabricating a mounting adapter and shaft couping adapter (different mounting methods and shaft sizes of course!)

I'll be testing it in the next few days, so there MAY be great shrieks of joy. I'm suspecting it won't stay at speed for 78rpm, but if luck is in the air, it'll work for 33 and 45.

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #103 on: October 24, 2010, 12:26:32 am »
The 'Grundig' motor now installed on  the anti-vibration mount, attached to the heavy-duty bearing sleeve (the big featureless cylinder on top).





Compare JDZA's photo of his original motor:

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9748/sabcmk3005.jpg

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Re: INFO wanted: SABC Mark3 TT
« Reply #104 on: October 24, 2010, 02:55:46 am »
I believe so. A bit before my time. Apparently he died in a very ugly car crash, and she immediately gave up live performances altogether after that.

That is correct. Perhaps not known: Esmé never owned a car and in fact couldn't drive one. All those years she was transported by a taxi, under contract with the SABC.

If I may be allowed a few minutes of nostalgia:

The year is 1955 (no typing error). As an engineering student I did compulsory 6 weeks vacation work at the SABC, Rocklands, Cape Town. That building was then newly finished.

Apart from repairing many Leak TL12s, then used as studio monitors (I think the loudspeakers were Peerless), service to the Neumann recorders and Studer stuff were also on the daily list. The record players were actually used as instant-start (on cue) and instant-stop play-backs. Tape recordings were not then considered as 'permanent' as records, which were often used to 'cue in' at exact moments and exact places. The record blanks were shellac-coated aluminium discs, that could be 'cleared' and re-coated for repetitive use. This was done outside the SABC, not sure where, but these arrived regularly.

For e.g. dramas, (mostly done after hours because actors had other day jobs), the 'sound man' previously copied the relevant cuts of music onto the temporary discs, edited/lined up onto a final disc (including sound effects. And no, we did not wave sheets of metal up and down; by that time everything was available on disc, either commercially  or made by the SABC.) At the 'take' actors sat in a studio, fully visible by and audible to the sound-man (there were often two of us). Here I must correct; the recording took place on tape (30 inches/sec) so that corrections could be made by splicing. (A lot of tape - 1/4 inch Scotch mostly, single track - was really wasted. There were no qualms about cutting and throwing away. Us students got permission to wind that on our own reels and made good use of it at home; a 'little' 17 cm reel was easily filled from a day's 'wasted' tape!) To cut short, it was good experience but matters could get tense. The last thing a producer tolerated on top of sometimes moody actors, was a lousy sound engineer! Especially Suzanne van Wyk - an excellent producer, rest her soul - could come down on you like a sack of sand if someting even small was not exactly correct.   

As far as I can recall the announcer, say on a musical request programme (like Esmé did) did do announcing and putting up records all by him/herself. There were two record players and the cueing was done by headphones, while the other turntable was playing. I sometimes helped there but it was not the usual thing at the time; there was easily enough time for one person to do that.

Coming back on topic then (sorry!), those turntables had to be capable of instantaneous and exact starting, especially when used for effects in dramas. As is probably known, the distance between turntable and thin platter was very small, probably <1mm. No bump was heard on start-up. And there was not much of volume adjustment required; this was set beforehand from a tone of standard amplitude corresponding with 0dB VU, and somehow recordings were mostly of standard volume/amplitude. (Those were not the days of crazy recording engineers, at least in my experience.)

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