We are both Virgo's after all 
However I was more refering to the "non-valve" pre-amp 
I was well aware of that.

as for the nuforce p8, that just goes to show that the technology is not really important to me, but the sound. I heard it in my system, it sounded convincing, and that's it. now I'll tinker a bit with the tube pre-amp, just to see how much I can get out of it.
but that the p8 sounds better is imo not proof of better technology , it is just better designed. they're also not in the same price league, with the decware (kit) going for $ 299.- and the p8 listed for k 18 rand.
that all said, I'm really enjoying the p8 in my system.