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Vertigo

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WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« on: July 23, 2008, 08:33:51 pm »
Wanted:
Linn Sondek LP12 in good cond.  Preferably with Valhalla power supply and a good quality arm (linn basik, ittok or similar)
 
Anyone knowing of somebody that has one for sale?

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2008, 08:51:24 pm »
What about a Goldmund Studietto maybe ?

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2008, 08:55:19 pm »
Hi Cleansound
I am after the Linn but will consider any other good quality alternatives. Do you maybe have pic etc? 
Thanks

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2008, 09:04:54 pm »

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2008, 09:07:39 pm »
I have a Sondek LP12, Ittok, Valhalla, mint condition, recently serviced, Cardas arm wire upgrade, Sumiko BPS Evo III.

R10k - I know this is a premium price, but I am in two minds about selling and would need the loot to upgrade.


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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2008, 09:16:34 pm »
Cleansound, any price on the Goldmund?  Steve at Chillivinyl also has one posted on Vinyl SA`s forum.  Is this the same model as the pics differ?

Jamster
It is tempting but your price is unfortunately out of reach for my budget.  I just missed a LP 12 on Roy Davis` website for R2.500  :(.
Your`s have a better arm  etc than the one sold at Roy`s, I know.

Thanks
« Last Edit: July 23, 2008, 09:22:43 pm by Capetonian »

Cleansound

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2008, 10:35:23 pm »
It is indeed the same one, but it's more than you intend to spend.

Chef Le Funk

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2008, 06:56:01 am »


I must just check for some new photies of the Goldmund. I have them. Awesome deck mind

Yes the Pink Record is optional

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2008, 07:06:32 am »






There you go Cleansound and Capetonian

Chef

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2008, 09:57:50 am »
Jamster's price for his Linn is actually very fair. Jamster has brought this LP12 up to "speed" in the last 3 months or less IIRC and just the cartridge and Cardas external phono interconnect are priced at R6K+
Add to that the fact that his deck is in a great cosmetic condition, has had the Valhalla serviced as well as the suspension and it actually is a very good deal.
A deck in a cosmetic condition like his with an Ittok but even with a shagged out cartridge, droopy suspension and a borderline working Valhalla still fetches between R5000.00 and R7500.00 without too much trouble.

Anyways, I thought I would mention a few things about buying a used Linn that may be useful to know.

Condition and "status" is everything. There were various changes made to the LP12 over the years and a unit with a corner braced plinth is more valuable then one without. Early models also only had two bolts holding the top plate in place, 2 additional screws were added later. Plinths can warp, check that the unit sits solidly on a flat surface without rocking.
Items other then standard wearing parts (springs, grommets and belt) quickly cost a lot of money. A new motor with pulley for eg will cost the best part of R2K, a new sub platter and bearing assembly probably twice that.

Most LP12s that come up for sale need some attention. They typically need as a minimum a new belt now priced at R550.00. Often new grommets and perhaps springs are needed and a bearing clean and lube is a smart plan. I have no current price on these but in view of the recent increase in belt price budget about R400.00. You may or may not be prepared to fit these yourself. There are various places on the net that have some instructions but you would not be the first to destroy a cartridge or worse, an arm while flipping the deck over and back again balanced between two sets of books as you need to work on the bottom of the deck.
If there is a Valhalla power supply chances are this needs attention. The supply is permanently powered and the high voltage smoothing caps have seen way more then their recommended hours of life. There are a few other common failures. The short answer is to budget for a Valhalla refurbishment in the near future.

As the LP12 is a rather interesting melange of interdependent systems, replacing or repairing one item without adjusting the deck afterwards is not really the way to go. You may for example adjust the motor tilt for "correct" operation with a dodgy Valhalla or old belt. Once the belt or PSU is sorted, you (or your paid dealer/technician) may need to adjust again.

Check the bearing point for wear, if you carefully lift the sub platter out the bearing housing you want to see a nice smooth cone point with no rough edges. Many bearings on neglected decks have been run dry. Many bearings get damaged in transit, never transport an LP12 with the sub platter / bearing fully seated. Once checked, do not force the bearing down the housing, slowly let it settle with no or little downward force from your hands.

Having read all this it seems an LP12 is a dodgy used buy. It is not provided you check and budget for the above. Its performance in absolute terms is hard to beat for the typical cost of pre owned ownership and it has an ability to make music of just about any LP you put on it. This trait is not found on many decks out there and IMO is something the brits just seem to have gotten right sort of part of their house sounds. (Linn, Rega, Ariston, Revolver, Systemdeck etc etc)
There are many upgrade paths forward, either by updating with Linn items or third party products like Funk. Most updates quickly add up and may easily equal or surpass the purchase price of your used deck. Things like a Funk Charm or Linn Cirkus kit for eg. In view of this, If your intention is to slowly revamp a deck, buy one in a top cosmetic condition. This way you can build a real top class deck over a period of time that looks the part.


For some this is all too much trouble and I have in fact sold some Funk's to people who rather traded in the LP12 and be done with it. A Funk, like this one  http://www.avforums.co.za/index.php/topic,1712.0.html I have for sale, will outperform a neglected or older model
LP12. In several areas it is as good as a quite well set up and up to date unit. I have been reminded of that again after playing one with an RB300, Incognito wired with Michell Technoweight upgrade over the last two days. I have never put such an upgraded arm on before but it is scary what she does with one.

Back to the LP12. If you are a novice on the LP12, enlist the help of someone who knows them. Perhaps you have a dealer in mind to do the set up for you and from whom you may intend to buy a new cartridge or whatever from. Ask that person to check out your proposed purchase, ultimately he is more likely to give you a fair appraisal of the deck then the seller even if that seller is an audio dealer.

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 02:09:20 pm »
Thanks for your very informative comments Croak.  I am not very knowledgable in the TT/Vinyl field so comments from experienced Audio enthuiasts are very much appreciated. 

Thanks again
« Last Edit: July 24, 2008, 08:45:39 pm by Capetonian »

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 10:10:02 pm »
Guys
I can get a new Rega P3-24 for R8,500 from the local Rega agents.  What is your opinion when comparing it to a used Linn LP12?  Which option will be the best value for money and sopund quality in  the long run. 

I also has been offered a used Linn with Valhalla and Linn Basik arm between 3K-4K.   ???

Your views, as always, is appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 11:05:31 pm »
An LP12 in good working order and properly set up will easily leave a Rega P3 behind. So would a Funk. As SA Funk agent I would be seen as biased though.
The P3 is a GBP400.00 turntable incl arm, the Funk GBP450.00 without arm. On the value scale R6000.00 with an arm for the Funk is also better in my biased opinion.

R8500.00 is not a long way from R10K and if Jamster is prepared to sell you would be getting a lot more for your dosh. Further pros to a Linn as mentioned before are the numerous improvements possible if that tickles you. The Rega is a buy and forget deck. You can put very fancy cartridges on them and rewire the arm but that is about it.

A good condition Linn with Valhalla could have some of the following upgrades done: (some adress the same issues so you would choose rather then fit all)

Linn Cirkus bearing and Subchassis upgrade

The Linn in standard ghuise uses removable armboards allowing a wide range of arms to be fitted as upgrades.

Funk Charm, a composite end grain balsa and carbon fibre non resonant subchassis/armboard unit with enhanced mounting of the bearing.

Funk Carbon Fibre top Plate which includes enhanced motor positioning.

Origin Live DC motor

Funk DC Motor

Linn Lingo AC motor Powersupply

Linn Keel Subchassis/armboard upgrade

Funk Vector Drive

Upgraded arm cables from Linn or 3rd parties like Cardas etc

Lastly, in the German press, a far less emotional and straight to the matter type of approach, the new Linn LP12 Majik is still rated as "spitzenklase", ie among the finest there is. The Linn Majik LP12 is a stripped down LP12 with no special powersupply (ie not even like valhalla) and a Project tone arm and no lid. Cost? GBP2000.00

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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2008, 11:37:51 am »
Guys
I can get a new Rega P3-24 for R8,500 from the local Rega agents.  What is your opinion when comparing it to a used Linn LP12?  Which option will be the best value for money and sopund quality in  the long run. 

I also has been offered a used Linn with Valhalla and Linn Basik arm between 3K-4K.   ???

Your views, as always, is appreciated.

Thanks

Hi Cape man.

I've asked these very same questions before I bought my LP12, Rega P3 vs LP12. The LP12 leaves a P3-24 in the dust, I've actually A/B'ed it. MOERSE Difference.

Try get an LP12 with an Ittok Arm. The Ittok arm in itself is quite state of the art (perhaps was state of the art, but is still really good.)


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Re: WANTED: Linn Sondek LP12
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2008, 01:23:36 pm »
Thanks Croak and RR.  Comments noted. Appreciated!