...not to be outdone, Metallica goes Beyond Magnetic's compression - assholes!

[audiomuze]

Makes Van Halen look like the high priests of dynamic range.

[Crafty]

Frankly it pisses me off when i see things like this. It should liss the artist off even more. I would fire the entire production team and hang the production manager by the thumbs.
This while people like bob rock smokes his fat cuban, listening to properly produced music done by another team.

[audiomuze]

This one you can lay squarely at the feet of the band.  They defended the compression on Death Magnetic and said it was intentional, so you can pretty much be assured the assholes went out of their way to screw this up also.  This kind of mindless sh1t will only stop if people start voting with their wallets.

[BigWoodenSpoon]

Death Magnetic was a KAK album (Almost a shite as Risk) so why worry ?

[Stefan]

Death Magnetic was a KAK album (Almost a shite as Risk) so why worry ?

...as was St.Anger, and to a lesser extend their bluesy Load/Reload/Garage inc. Their first four releases are their best, not just musically, but regarding DR compression.

[BigWoodenSpoon]

Their first four releases are their best, not just musically, but regarding DR compression.

Yip, as is the case with many bads from that era.

Muzy, fancy doing that test on Endgame and Th1rt3en? I suspesct the results would be similar

[Crafty]

...as was St.Anger, and to a lesser extend their bluesy Load/Reload/Garage inc. Their first four releases are their best, not just musically, but regarding DR compression.

I Stopped buying Metallica Albums after Reload. Bumped my Head with Load, then Bumped it again with reload. Downloaded the rest to get a feel for it 1st, and deleted. afterwards.
(Not the same as piracy)
According to me, Bob Rock produced one good album in his life time, and that was the the Black Metallica album.
Anything as a general rule that Bob Rock touches turns to brown gooyee stuff.

Take a band with a lekker raw metal vibe. Unpollished and real energetic and soulful metal. Give it to Bob Rock and it becomes something that can be played on MTV and loved by those brain dead zombies that live by the laws of the telly / media etc. Granted He makes money... lots of it, but in the same breath he destroys music...

Ok I'm rambling again... I will stop now, and fume offline ;p

[d0dja]

I kinda think that metal is really young mans music -- to make, not to listen to, I'm touching 40 and still dig it.

But all the bands that were awesome were so for their first few albums, then they ran out of ideas, ran out of anger, ran out of rawness - and without that metal is pretty dire. Kinda like punk.

Slayer - up to Seasons in the Abyss;  Megadeth - up to Countdown to Extinction (then Mustaine stopped heroin and found Jebus), Anthrax - well, enjoyed Sound of White Noise...

The only exception that really springs to mind is Cavalera Conspiracy (ex Sepultura) and Strapping Young Lad (who is just weird).

Suspect metal was also a "time and a place" music, unless you count this as metal (you have been warned... )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSHafavwfZ0

[Atjan]

Sounds like Metallica made their music sound kak because (they think) thats what the masses want. If compression didn't work for the masses, I'm not sure they'd notice.

Also, metal is about rebellion and anarchy. (At least thats what I think.) Metallica is no longer young and verile, they're middle aged and have wifes and kids. When they were younger people would say 'You must not swear in your lyrics.' So they swore. People would say 'Don't puke on the stage'. So they'd do that. Now its old hat and they lack the energy to truely rebel. So the there's a small group of people who don't like dynamic compression. So their rebellion becomes smaller.... Sad really.

[Necrite]

Suspect metal was also a "time and a place" music, unless you count this as metal (you have been warned... )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSHafavwfZ0

mallcore isn't metal

I don't get it, there are lots of real good metal bands still out there people seem to be stuck on the ones that made it into the mainstream.

[Crafty]

mallcore isn't metal

I don't get it, there are lots of real good metal bands still out there people seem to be stuck on the ones that made it into the mainstream.

I can proudly say i have never supported them, or bought their albums. Except maybe serj tankian's solo stuff. His solo works trumps system of a down by FAR!!!

[audiomuze]

^^^ dunno, the mastering on his solo stuff is also shite

[Crafty]

Mastering yes. By all means. But this thread is about the style of music. And he by him self makes better music than that of s.o.a.d.
Non of them can record. This is simply because they think we want loud over clarity

[Necrite]

Mastering yes. By all means. But this thread is about the style of music. And he by him self makes better music than that of s.o.a.d.
Non of them can record. This is simply because they think we want loud over clarity

Originally this thread was about the horrid mastering on Metallica albums..even though it did get a bit off topic, maybe the style of music conversation could go over to this thread
http://www.avforums.co.za/index.php/topic,14412.0.html ?

[audiomuze]

  the thread was about mastering, until you metal-heads hijacked it 

Please continue though, there's nothing more to be said about Metallica's latest effort other than its just loud crap.

Funny how the definition of heavy metal has changed over the years - when I was a kid Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult etc. were termed heavy metal bands.