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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 07:56:11 pm »
@ Mahleu you should try integrating your Leak into the AVR like I did. It matches the other speakers timbre quiet well and sounds awesome. Definitely doesn't run out of breath
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 08:32:41 pm »
Sounds interesting, I don't know if I've got enough space for it though :(

Maybe if I modify my tv cabinet a bit. Will see what I can get away with on the weekend.
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 08:40:36 pm »
Its the best of both worlds. I don't use my AVR front right and left anymore.

Its HDMI from the BDP to the AVR's DAC and then pre-outs to the Leak.
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2012, 12:42:00 am »
I'm a bit confused, how do I check the 100 ohm resistor to see if it'll solder off?

Ahem - er - ......

I have always been unconfortable with this method of safeguarding (I have serviced four Stereo 20s in my time). What grade of solder did HJ use, how thickly applied? what length of leads should be used? I know some folks have problems with fuses, but using a fuse here of appropriate value can hardly be worse than this droppy-off resistor method. (Note that it will have to desolder both ends before dropping off.) I sense a variation of up to 2 easily coming in. One does get low current fuses which might not have been available in HJ's time; I would feel far more comfortable safeguarding it that way than with the de-soldering method.
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 05:31:21 am »
Ahem - er - ......

I have always been unconfortable with this method of safeguarding (I have serviced four Stereo 20s in my time). What grade of solder did HJ use, how thickly applied? what length of leads should be used? I know some folks have problems with fuses, but using a fuse here of appropriate value can hardly be worse than this droppy-off resistor method. (Note that it will have to desolder both ends before dropping off.) I sense a variation of up to 2 easily coming in. One does get low current fuses which might not have been available in HJ's time; I would feel far more comfortable safeguarding it that way than with the de-soldering method.
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 09:23:19 pm »
Ok, I have a question for the wise:

I want to replace the switch cable with a toggle switch. I can see how to connect it, but what do I need to look for in a switch?
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 09:35:04 pm »
Oops, I see one of my posts didn't post correctly. I've also got a question. What is the fuse thing on the back under the transformer?
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2012, 04:34:16 pm »
3A or 10A switch, anyone?
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2012, 10:51:02 pm »
3A or 10A switch, anyone?

Ok, a 10A went in. Works well, only thing is when I turn it off it makes an ugly noise (better the quicker I do it). Any suggestions?
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2012, 01:53:56 am »
Mahleu,

Yes - replace it!  :)

The diagram unfortunately does not show a fuse value, but the amplifier draws about 1/2A from the mains. Thus even a 1A switch would be ample.

But there is something else with the Stereo 20 design. I have mentioned this in the past without much reaction, and probably some name-calling behind my back.  :(  So I am treading carefully here; unfortunately proof exists.

Should anybody be interested:
There is something amiss with the Stereo 20's h.f. performance, even though it is liked by so many - or mabe because of it. A square wave reproduction shows an awful rise-performance, which could lead to conditional instability depending on the nature of the loudspeaker(s). I have refurbished 3 amplifiers (thus 6 main amplifier units) and all showed the same short-coming - thus rather difficult to accept that it was a chance mistake. I had to change the feedback phase correcting capacitor C9 significantly to correct this; can unfortunately not recall to what value. I am afraid that the Stereo 20 output transformers were not Leak's best designs; measurement shows rather excessive leakage reactance for a 26dB feedback design, hence the phase shift problems. I think there was a further change necessary, also faded from memory. Then, one has to feed the amplifier(s) from a fairly low impedance source (< 6K), otherwise the input ECC83 Miller capacitance started having further effect on feedback stability. Fortunately most pre-amps have quite low output impedances these days.

I could re-examine and illustrate if a Leak Stereo 20 owner near Pretoria is willing for such an exercise.

Apology for the negativity folks, but there it is. (Being familiar with Leak amplifiers for more than a half century, this surprised me myself. His early amplifiers were gems.)
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2012, 08:27:12 am »
Mahleu,

Yes - replace it!  :)

I'll find a 1A switch that will fit, is there a particular reason that a bigger switch makes a 'crack' when switching off?

I would be interested in your findings too if there is someone in PTA with a Leak.
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2012, 02:57:37 pm »
Not in particular - nothing to do with the switch, if it is OK.

But sorry, should have asked. When you stated it was related to the 'speed' of the action, I took it this 'noise' was mechanical.  Or was it the usual 'sound' turn-off impulse? In that case a capacitor over the switch usually helps. It depends on the amplifier behaviour over the few m.S that the current diminishes to zero.
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2012, 03:12:10 pm »
Not in particular - nothing to do with the switch, if it is OK.


Sorry, it's a sharp crack through the speakers. This sound is minimised by flicking the switch quickly. It's a brand new switch so it should be fine.
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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2012, 08:35:02 pm »
You need to fit a 0.047uF 630V DC (250V AC) Cap across the switch to eliminate that. You might find something suitable in an old Computer power supply.


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Re: LEAK 20 VALVE MAINTENANCE
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2012, 08:52:44 pm »
You need to fit a 0.047uF 630V DC (250V AC) Cap across the switch to eliminate that. You might find something suitable in an old Computer power supply.
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Wonderful, I have one lying around.
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