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Hey all! Hoping to get some advice seeing as I know next to nothing when it comes to headphones... I basically want to put together a half decent system, though unfortunately am stuck with a maximum budget of around R4000... Perhaps could push it to 5k if need be... I have tried looking myself, though get confused easily seeing as I dont know whats going on, so would like some advice from the experts. From my research so far I know that with my budget I might only be able to afford a decent power cord when it comes to Hi-fi equipment, though am still hoping to put together something half decent.

I will be playing music off a PC or PS3... So will be using toslink to feed the amp, if this makes a difference...

For the actual headphones I am thinking of getting the B&W P5. From all the reviews I have read online they seem like a good pair to start with, though am open to suggestions for anything in this price range.

This leaves me with about R2000 for the Amp (and dac if possible). This is where I get lost, so any suggestions will be appreciated!

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 05:34:26 pm »
no point buying a amp for the p5's, the were designed more for the ipod and therefore wont require extra power. they not a bad start but for long listening sessions i find the leather ear cups to cause abit more sweat than i like on my ears. my advice would be to rather go for something more circum-aural (fits over the ear, not on them like the p5's do) this will lead to greater comfort and sometimes better imaging (something that is nb for gaming). the sennheiser 5 range are supremely comfortable, but they may be a bit on the light side of bass.

also they are open back which means they leak sound and also let outside noise in, but i find open backed headphones are better suited for long listening applications (like gaming and long pc sessions at work). as for a amp, most dedicated headphone amps wont accept toslink(optical) as headphones are stereo and digital is used mostly for surround sound. there are many options for a dac out there ranging from expensive to rather cheap, but for games and basic mp3's i would be surprised if you saw a massive difference by adding a dac.

headphones all generally have their own audio signature, senn's are clear but low in the bass department, grado's are more aggresive sounding than senn's which can be very laid back. then on the opposite side of the spectrum you get cans like the monster beats which are more bass heavy (and surprisingly very good for gaming i find). for games i personally prefer my reference pioneer se a1000 cans, they REALLY comfortable and the sound is highly detailed and balanced (no excessive boom) which is great for games and for R1000 they are awesome value. i have em hooked up to a cheap-ish pro-ject headbox 2 which i feel does the job quite nicely, but one day i will upgrade to something meaner. for music my senn hd 598's come out to shine (or i just leave the pioneers in) and when im in the mood for some good ol rock then its the beats turn to shine.

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 05:53:23 pm »
oh yeah and the beats are active noise cancelling so if you in a noisy enviroment then these are good. the p5's also isolate the listener quite nicely and give a good overall performance. there are also some bose headphones you can audition at incredible connection which in all honesty arent that bad (wow, me saying blows (i mean bose) isnt that bad) ??? and also wont require external amplification.

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 09:27:37 am »
i Have a Dac/headphone amp combination. it is not any well known make but the inners is top notch stuff and very good quality. I am convinced this will meet your needs 100%. fdlsys has it at the moment to play with.

I want R1500 for it.
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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 09:36:48 am »
i Have a Dac/headphone amp combination. it is not any well known make but the inners is top notch stuff and very good quality. I am convinced this will meet your needs 100%. fdlsys has it at the moment to play with.

I want R1500 for it.

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 04:58:52 pm »
Just wanted to say cheers for all the advice! So I sort of decided on either a pair of Sennheiser HD 598 or AKG K702's...

Was wondering to myself.... How good are the headphone outputs on the normal sort of stereo/AVR amps? Something like the Nad 3225 or similar... I would assume it would be good. Otherwise are there any stereo amps out there that are renowned for having a good headphone output?


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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 05:03:58 pm »
Depends on whether the amp uses part of the actual amp circuitry to power the headphone jack, or has an "afterthought" and totally separate headphone amp section. There are indeed great stereo amps with brilliant HP outputs, such as the Leben CS-300X (~$3500, drool) :p

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 05:09:09 pm »
the amps are usually okay for headphones, and most of the time you wont have any complaints

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 05:19:41 pm »
Mmmm.... Interesting. Just been doing some reading online and seems this is one of those hotly debated subjects where they were going on about opamp's, powered headphone jacks and what not... So confusing, yet interesting at the same time.

~$3500 for that Leben... Hectic... You would think they would at least make it look nice  :P

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 06:11:04 pm »
Amplifiers normally have decent headphone outputs and I haven't had any issues with those. The headphone outputs on my older Rotel and Marantz gear were all more than good enough.

If you like rock music you can also have a look at the Grado SR325is. Grado's are bright headphones though, but they utterly rock with rock music and are very involving cans! 8) These have excellent clarity. For some the wearing comfort is a bit of a miss though and they won't have good enough soundstaging for your games. The Sennheiser HD598 would be a great entry into headphones too as they are very versatile. I'm not that much of a fan of their build quality though and for games they might lack a bit of bass if the HD595 is anything to go by. Soundstaging and imaging for gaming should be excellent though. In that price category you might also like the Denon AH-D2000 which is a closed headphone, but has excellent bass. These would also be a very good option if you would like a closed option that would not disturb others that much. These are also easy to drive and wouldn't require additional amplification.

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 06:37:05 pm »
Depends on whether the amp uses part of the actual amp circuitry to power the headphone jack, or has an "afterthought" and totally separate headphone amp section. There are indeed great stereo amps with brilliant HP outputs, such as the Leben CS-300X (~$3500, drool) :p

I've heard that Leben on a set of HD800 and I was completely blown away. That was one real sweet combo, literally.

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2012, 09:28:18 pm »
The Sennheiser HD598's sound very good with the headphone output of my Accuphase integrated amp. I'm however very inexperienced with headphones and may just be living in a fool's paradise!

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 10:03:30 pm »
Just wanted to say cheers for all the advice! So I sort of decided on either a pair of Sennheiser HD 598 or AKG K702's...

Was wondering to myself.... How good are the headphone outputs on the normal sort of stereo/AVR amps? Something like the Nad 3225 or similar... I would assume it would be good. Otherwise are there any stereo amps out there that are renowned for having a good headphone output?

I'm running a set of 650's off of my NAD's headphone out. It's pretty decent. I'm sure it could be better but for now it'll do. If the 598's are anything like my 595's then amping them off that NAD shouldn't be a problem. IIRC, they don't really need amping at all.

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Re: Help putting together a decent headphone system... on a budget...
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 05:11:12 pm »
I can maybe offer you this setup!

Sweet,very sweet system,just no time to use it.
I'm running this with a Sony SACD player.

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