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Rodney_gold

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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 09:42:36 am »
The easier and cheaper way may be to buy the house you want. I can tell you that you will be looking at at least R5-7k per Sq meter if you real lucky with this type renovation. You must also make damn sure that the money you spend on your place is not overcapitalisation.. believe me , if all the houses in your area are selling for X and you think your new bigger 2x the size mansion will get 2x , fergeddit.
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 02:33:58 pm »
There's a couple of houses in our area that is 2x our house from what i've seen.  So that should not be a problem, I am however more drawn to buying a bigger house, than building it at this point.  Just so much easier and quicker.
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 02:45:55 pm »
Quote from: Rodney_gold on January 23, 2012, 09:42:36 am
The easier and cheaper way may be to buy the house you want. I can tell you that you will be looking at at least R5-7k per Sq meter if you real lucky with this type renovation. You must also make damn sure that the money you spend on your place is not overcapitalisation.. believe me , if all the houses in your area are selling for X and you think your new bigger 2x the size mansion will get 2x , fergeddit.

Why would it be 5-7k though, what material costs equate to this ?
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2012, 03:02:36 pm »
Its never a bad thing to have the cheapest house in your area, which is what I think Rodney alludes to.

Have a look around, its certainly a buyer's market. Just be ware of all the costs involved in selling. I've found that, if you have to sell to buy, its best to sell first before even starting to look. Too much wasted time otherwise.
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 04:24:05 pm »
Nah I wouldn't sell the place i'd rent it out, but even that will mean I'll need to spend some money first fixing the place up to make it more appealing first.  All in all not a bad house to live in, just a bit cramped at the moment.  The need for HT room is big :)
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 04:16:39 pm »
Just received another quote for ~R800k for the ~130m2 using LSFC.  At this rate it would be better to just buy a bigger house.
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 05:11:11 pm »
Good time to buy right now , maybe wait 6-12 months or so , times are not getting better and a lot of ppl that hung on with te skin of their teeth over the last 3 yrs are not able to weather the sustained downturn. Bad time to sell , but you not selling....
Just as an aside , I wouldnt buy a house with a steel frame 2nd story and I think a lot of other ppl might be put off by this..I want a slab and brick walls....
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2012, 07:14:59 am »
Quote from: Rodney_gold on January 25, 2012, 05:11:11 pm
Good time to buy right now , maybe wait 6-12 months or so , times are not getting better and a lot of ppl that hung on with te skin of their teeth over the last 3 yrs are not able to weather the sustained downturn. Bad time to sell , but you not selling....
Just as an aside , I wouldnt buy a house with a steel frame 2nd story and I think a lot of other ppl might be put off by this..I want a slab and brick walls....
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2012, 03:30:04 pm »
Here's what I have in mind, the google sketchup is attached for those who want to have a better look :)

http://filegooi.co.za/get2/bde8fe38c0757bff01f1e64869261b04/floorplan.skp

I'll pop a image of it when i get home, apparently can't upload images from work anymore.
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2012, 10:19:51 am »
Rodney has a point there about the resale value of such a construction. Many or I dare say MOST South Africans are still very set in their ways and not open to new materials and methods for building homes.  :-\
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2012, 12:52:16 pm »
Very true, but if you take in account this isn't going to be sold straight a way, it is so we can live here longer and enjoy it more.
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2012, 12:46:23 pm »
I agree that people are not yet used to new methods of building. Older people think of it as the same as wooden houses built in SA a decade or 2 ago.
The method is winning ground though. I know of at least 1 complex in Durbanville that is built like that. Very attractive design and price around R1.5m.
During a trip to Yzerfontein in December I noticed that many of the new beach houses are built like that as well, most double stories. 
There's also an older complex on the coast near PE that was built with LSF.
What I don't like is that the houses sometimes are too perfect with all straight lines and perfect right angles. This makes it look like some 'shopfront' like buildings in low budget movies. With the right desing though, it can look brilliant. Insulation is also generally much better than conventional. Plus no 'settling' cracks.
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2012, 03:32:53 pm »
Im old school , even think using breeze blocks/concrete blocks rather than cement and bricks is "cheating " :)
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2012, 06:37:52 am »
The cement blocks is pretty easy to build with, and if you do it properly it can be stronger than a brick wall.  (not to nitpick, but concrete is an ingredient to cement)
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Re: Building a second story house in PTA?
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2012, 08:41:38 am »
Quote from: NoSnipeLimit on January 30, 2012, 06:37:52 am
cement is an ingredient to concrete

Fixed

Problem with most concrete bricks is that they are made with too many fillers (ash and sand) and too little low grade cement.

If you want quick to put up and different have a look at the TASS system for a slab system (foundations permitting, but it's much lighter than traditional concrete)
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