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Crafty

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Stripping Amp for parts
« on: December 19, 2011, 11:33:02 am »
I've got a weird amp sitting at home waiting to be stripped for parts. It's got a massive round coil transformer, and some controllers etc... Front panel lcd is busted. amp still works.
There is no 5.1/dts/decoder of any sort built in. You need an external decoder for surround. So my idea is to strip this thing, and use it as a base for a DIY stereo jobbie.
Pointers, tips, tricks welcome.
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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 12:26:16 pm »
Love doing that, I am really good at breaking amps :P .. photos ?
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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 12:35:28 pm »
Post pics, that'll help a lot in giving you some guidance

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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 12:36:44 pm »
I've also got one. Not sure if I should fix it or use the bits  :-\
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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 01:22:57 pm »
Ok, Will post pics tonight.
The make is "Modern"
(kind of hard to google for that since every one want to label their stuff as modern)

I'm excited about the round transformer. That can only end well. As far as i know they are better than the square ones?
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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 01:23:21 pm »
normally on commercial amps the rectifier and psu caps are built into the pcb. It is normally tricky to reuse these.

So in fact , all you really have is a case with a transformer.

depending on how it looks. if it was a 5 channel and you want to make it stereo you have many unused connectors at the back.

main thing is to measure the AC on the transformer to see what coltages you have. Also give transformer measurements to see what VA rating it roughly is.

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Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 11:51:23 am »
Herewith the pics.
Seems like you guys are right. Every thing stuck onto one pcb :(
Salvage the transformers is about all i can do. And perhaps that mother of a heatsink for transistors

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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 11:59:57 am »
Location: Centurion (Gauteng)

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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 03:06:18 pm »
Also give transformer measurements to see what VA rating it roughly is.
How would one do that Tang?
I have a few nice toroids that I keep ignoring because there is no power spec on them :(
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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 03:42:35 pm »
How would one do that Tang?
I have a few nice toroids that I keep ignoring because there is no power spec on them :(

Questimate , very rough though.

example:

You have a "toroid in a box" , it measures. 50mm high and 110mm in diameter.

look at the measurements on these toroidals:


160VA
http://za.rs-online.com/web/p/toroid-transformers/6719151/
46 x 109mm

220VA
http://za.rs-online.com/web/p/toroid-transformers/2238207/
47 x 112mm

300va
http://za.rs-online.com/web/p/toroid-transformers/6719044/
58 x 115mm


You probably have +- 220VA "toroid in a box"

This really is a rough guide.
It also gets tricky if more than only 2 windings are on the toroidal. for example some extra low voltage low current turns.
Rather undervalue than overvalue it obviously.

Cheap toroidals might be slightly bigger since they won't be winded nice and tight. So if your toroidal has secondary windings for lower voltages i would rather guess 160va.

all and all it is a hit and miss :P

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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 07:30:45 pm »
Cool, thanks for that Tang.
I guess, considering different manufacturers, and assuming that we are comparing like-for-like (primary/secondary spec), throwing in the 3rd dimension (weight) as a sanity check wouldn't be a bad idea?
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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 08:35:17 pm »
That's decent for a good stereo 30w AB amp, good enough for 40w and stretching to 50w, but 40hm loads will be tricky above 30w
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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 10:51:10 am »
Ok, this is what i've got, I really like the 'tunnel' heatsink. Amp put out 100w to 5 channels but currently doesn't put out anything:


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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2011, 01:21:41 pm »
Use heatsinks and transformer... everything else will just make your life a misery...
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Re: Stripping Amp for parts
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2012, 12:49:37 am »
Perhaps a third way (still in the rough) is to guesstimate the transformer capacity. This starts from the assumption that for suchlike transformers, taking copper loss as about 4% is normal.

One measures the voltage on a secondary winding and loads another until the first voltage has dropped by 4%. The loaded winding will necessarily be momentarily overloaded, but the resultant primary current*primary voltage will be a fair indication of total capacity.

Or one can simply measure the primary d.c. resistance and calculate what current through there will yield a 4% voltage drop, which will be close to the maximum working primary current. This can be less accurate because primary copper resistance is often a few ohm only, and most DVMs do not measure resistance accurately to the first decimal. If there are several (low voltage) secondary windings, division of energy can certainly be a vague matter.
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