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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #780 on: November 20, 2011, 10:04:04 pm »
dont forget catholic priests and little boys

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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #781 on: November 20, 2011, 10:06:53 pm »
Perhaps the thread should have been called:"Science vs Religion?" I've tried replying to the actual thread subject but to no avail. In the case of the alternative, I say "No".
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #782 on: November 21, 2011, 12:02:36 pm »
According to the many experts however, space didn't exist prior to the Big Bang. Back in the late '60s and early '70s, when men first walked upon the moon, "three British astrophysicists, Steven Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose turned their attention to the Theory of Relativity and its implications regarding our notions of time. In 1968 and 1970, they published papers in which they extended Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to include measurements of time and space.1, 2 According to their calculations, time and space had a finite beginning that corresponded to the origin of matter and energy."3 The singularity didn't appear in space; rather, space began inside of the singularity. Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know. We don't know where it came from, why it's here, or even where it is. All we really know is that we are inside of it and at one time it didn't exist and neither did we.


Is the standard Big Bang theory the only model consistent with these evidences? No, it's just the most popular one. Internationally renown Astrophysicist George F. R. Ellis explains: "People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations….For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations….You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that."4

In 2003, Physicist Robert Gentry proposed an attractive alternative to the standard theory, an alternative which also accounts for the evidences listed above.5 Dr. Gentry claims that the standard Big Bang model is founded upon a faulty paradigm (the Friedmann-lemaitre expanding-spacetime paradigm) which he claims is inconsistent with the empirical data. He chooses instead to base his model on Einstein's static-spacetime paradigm which he claims is the "genuine cosmic Rosetta." Gentry has published several papers outlining what he considers to be serious flaws in the standard Big Bang model.6 Other high-profile dissenters include Nobel laureate Dr. Hannes Alfvén, Professor Geoffrey Burbidge, Dr. Halton Arp, and the renowned British astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle, who is accredited with first coining the term "the Big Bang" during a BBC radio broadcast in 1950.

You will all agree with me that this is all bulshet, wouldn't you? 8)
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #783 on: November 21, 2011, 12:22:24 pm »

You will all agree with me that this is all bulshet, wouldn't you? 8)

Nope, sorry Desmond.
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #784 on: November 21, 2011, 12:51:42 pm »
Nope, sorry Desmond.
so how do you explain that there was no time? I mean the moments just before the explosion!!! surely there were moments just before the explosion took place?!what do you refer to those things as? time actually? and no space?! where did this explosion take place?! and no matter, no horseshet, dog poop!! no nothing?! what exploded and what caused it to explode? and we want to say this is scientific facts?! I'll tell you what, this is cr@p!! there can't just be nothing!! and the worst boolshet, the universe started small, very small, smaller than a sub atomic particle,everything was compact and it expanded until it reached an infinite size, you know what, if you going to give me cr@p, give me something I can swallow at least!!
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #785 on: November 21, 2011, 01:08:13 pm »

Evolution Of Man - What is it?
The modern theory concerning the evolution of man proposes that humans and apes derive from an apelike ancestor that lived on earth a few million years ago. The theory states that man, through a combination of environmental and genetic factors, emerged as a species to produce the variety of ethnicities seen today, while modern apes evolved on a separate evolutionary pathway. Perhaps the most famous proponent of evolutionary theory is Charles Darwin (1809-82) who authored The Origin of Species (1859) to describe his theory of evolution. It was based largely on observations which he made during his 5-year voyage around the world aboard the HMS Beagle (1831-36). Since then, mankind's origin has generally been explained from an evolutionary perspective. Moreover, the theory of man's evolution has been and continues to be modified as new findings are discovered, revisions to the theory are adopted, and earlier concepts proven incorrect are discarded.

Evolution Of Man - Concepts in Evolutionary Theory
The currently-accepted theory of the evolution of man rests on three major principles. These principles hinge on the innate ability which all creatures have to pass on their genetic information to their offspring through the reproductive process. An alternative explanation for homology is a common designer. According to this reasoning, the similarities in anatomical features between species point to a blueprint used by a Creator/Designer.

The first tenet is microevolution, the occurrence and build-up of mutations in the genetic sequence of an organism. Mutations are predominantly random and can occur naturally through errors in the reproductive process or through environmental impacts such as chemicals or radiation.

The second tenet of evolution is natural selection. Natural selection is a natural mechanism by which the fittest members of a species survive to pass on their genetic information, while the weakest are eliminated (die off) because they are unable to compete in the wild. Natural selection is often termed "survival of the fittest" or "elimination of the weakest."

The third tenet is speciation, which occurs when members of a species mutate to the point where they are no longer able to breed with other members of the same species. The new population becomes a reproductively isolated community that is unable to breed with its former community. Through speciation, the genes of the new population become isolated from the previous group.

Evolution Of Man - Scientific Evidence
The theory of evolution of man is supported by a set of independent observations within the fields of anthropology, paleontology, and molecular biology. Collectively, they depict life branching out from a common ancestor through gradual genetic changes over millions of years, commonly known as the "tree of life." Although accepted in mainstream science as altogether factual and experimentally proven, a closer examination of the evidences reveal some inaccuracies and reasonable alternative explanations. This causes a growing number of scientists to dissent from the Darwinian theory of evolution for its inability to satisfactorily explain the origin of man.

One of the major evidences for the evolution of man is homology, that is, the similarity of either anatomical or genetic features between species. For instance, the resemblance in the skeleton structure of apes and humans has been correlated to the homologous genetic sequences within each species as strong evidence for common ancestry. This argument contains the major assumption that similarity equals relatedness. In other words, the more alike two species appear, the more closely they are related to one another. This is known to be a poor assumption. Two species can have homologous anatomy even though they are not related in any way. This is called "convergence" in evolutionary terms. It is now known that homologous features can be generated from entirely different gene segments within different unrelated species. The reality of convergence implies that anatomical features arise because of the need for specific functionality, which is a serious blow to the concept of homology and ancestry.

Additionally, the evolution of man from ape-like ancestors is often argued on the grounds of comparative anatomy within the fossil record. Yet, the fossil record indicates more stability in the forms of species than slow or even drastic changes, which would indicate intermediate stages between modern species. The "missing links" are missing. And unfortunately, the field of paleoanthropology has been riddled with fraudulent claims of finding the missing link between humans and primates, to the extent that fragments of human skeletons have been combined with other species such as pigs and apes and passed off as legitimate. Although genetic variability is seen across all peoples, the process of natural selection leading to speciation is disputed. Research challenging the accepted paradigm continues to surface raising significant questions about the certainty of evolution as the origin of man.

Evolution Of Man - The Scrutiny
The theory concerning the evolution of man is under increased scrutiny due to the persistence of gaps in the fossil record, the inability to demonstrate "life-or-death" determining advantageous genetic mutations, and the lack of experiments or observations to truly confirm the evidence for speciation. Overall, the evolution of man pervades as the accepted paradigm on the origin of man within the scientific community. This is not because it has been proven scientifically, but because alternative viewpoints bring with them metaphysical implications which go against the modern naturalistic paradigm. Nevertheless, a closer examination of the evidence reveals evolution to be increasingly less scientific and more reliant upon beliefs, not proof.

and here's the celebrated evolution theory!! Some more cr@p if you ask me
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #786 on: November 21, 2011, 01:21:04 pm »
Okay, gents, I will give this topic until tomorrow morning before I lock it.

The discussions has now gone full circle and except for the occasional monologue, is going nowwhere.
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #787 on: November 21, 2011, 01:23:34 pm »
The Big Bang doesn't explain what happened before it, it is merely an explanation to the evolution of the universe. It's the only logical explanation for cosmic microwave background radiation observed ubiquitously in the universe. The fact that the universe is expanding again points towards evidence of a big bang.
It might not be correct, but it is the least wrong theory out there. Hope you read the lengthy posts I posted of Isaac Asimov.

As for evolution the debate, I've given more than enough examples and am done now, and claim victory in that debate.

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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #788 on: November 21, 2011, 01:38:36 pm »
Before the thread is locked, I would just like to point out that Arch Bishop's posts are quotes from All About God Ministries websites:

"All About God Ministries Inc. is a non-profit organization based in Colorado Springs, Colorado that produces and maintains evangelical websites. All About God Ministries has written approximately 14,000 pages of information and maintains 77 internet sites about creationism, science, the occult, other faiths, business practices, Jesus, prayer, religion, God, the Bible, popular issues, life challenges, and similar subjects.
 
All About God states that faiths such as Christian Science, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses and others are cults. All About God subscribes to biblical literalism and biblical inerrancy. All About God Ministries is a proponent of Young Earth Creationism, believing that the earth is approximately six thousand years old. All About God ministries makes additional claims about science, including casting doubt over the certainty of Einstein's theory of relativity."

From the "About" section of their websites:

"We believe truth transforms lives. Therefore, we place our content on the first few pages of the most popular search engines in the world. That way, when people seek answers on the Web, we're there with the truth at the top!"
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #789 on: November 21, 2011, 02:04:24 pm »
Before the thread is locked, I would just like to point out that Arch Bishop's posts are quotes from All About God Ministries websites:

"All About God Ministries Inc. is a non-profit organization based in Colorado Springs, Colorado that produces and maintains evangelical websites. All About God Ministries has written approximately 14,000 pages of information and maintains 77 internet sites about creationism, science, the occult, other faiths, business practices, Jesus, prayer, religion, God, the Bible, popular issues, life challenges, and similar subjects.
 
All About God states that faiths such as Christian Science, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses and others are cults. All About God subscribes to biblical literalism and biblical inerrancy. All About God Ministries is a proponent of Young Earth Creationism, believing that the earth is approximately six thousand years old. All About God ministries makes additional claims about science, including casting doubt over the certainty of Einstein's theory of relativity."

From the "About" section of their websites:

"We believe truth transforms lives. Therefore, we place our content on the first few pages of the most popular search engines in the world. That way, when people seek answers on the Web, we're there with the truth at the top!"
from all about what?!sorry my friend I got these quotes from the very websites that are dedicated to these theories and those professors are actually proponents of these theories!! they are just humble enough to accept that these are wild fantasies except the followers of these theorems want to claim that theirs is the truth!! before this thread is locked, here's what Darwin, the father of evolution said on his death bed when he realised he was going to meet his maker: to all the suckers who swallowed my shet so far, i'm sorry!!very sorry, it was just bolshyt!! I sold you shyt and you swallowed it, I wish I had enough time left, so that I could tell the whole world that this was a hoax, a big hoax and I'm really, really sorry, someone out there swallowed it. thats all I ever wanted to say, everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe, but to say its scientific fact and irrefutable is wrong. science has given us a lot of things, it has eradicated polio and they discovered penicillin and how to fly, but it has not resolved the mystery of creation
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #790 on: November 21, 2011, 02:57:15 pm »
from all about what?!sorry my friend I got these quotes from the very websites that are dedicated to these theories and those professors are actually proponents of these theories!

Your post on Evolution is quoted from this site: http://www.allaboutscience.org/evolution-of-man.htm

Which, when you click on "About Us", you find:

AllAboutGOD.com
PO Box 49625
Colorado Springs, Colorado 80949
719-884-2246

Website: http://www.allaboutgod.com/
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #791 on: November 21, 2011, 03:03:39 pm »
Your post on Evolution is quoted from this site: http://www.allaboutscience.org/evolution-of-man.htm

Which, when you click on "about", you will discover is actually part of this site:  http://www.allaboutgod.com/  (AKA: All About GOD Ministries, Inc)
which nullifies my arguments?! okay, can you then explain in your own words or terms evolution theory and big bang theory and show me where they differ with what was said, can you quote some unbiased sources, give me something to work with here as I don't have anything to work with at the moment.
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #792 on: November 21, 2011, 03:38:54 pm »
Please lock this thread.  :P
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
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Re: General Ignorance of Science
« Reply #794 on: November 21, 2011, 04:07:20 pm »
+1

Done !! way past its sell by date  ;D