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Buyers Guide - Due when?
« on: January 03, 2008, 07:26:47 pm »
When will the AVSA Buyers Guide be on the "street"?  ???

Is it included in the subscription or must I go and hunt for it "out there"?  ;D

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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2008, 08:31:09 pm »
Hi G_D, Buyer's Guide should be on shelves any moment. We're working on a revised version of it that will be available on the shelves end November latest for this year.

As a matter of interest, what is the opinion of the forum members on this publication as it stands now? Is it useful? If so, why? If not, why? What about its shelf date - right or too late? As I said, we're reworking it this year, so any input you guys can give will be very seriously looked at.
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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2008, 11:07:36 pm »
I personally love it! One thing I particularly like is the inclusion of prices - really helps. I often wish that the news section of AVSA included suggested retail pricing for the components - even if it's just a suggested retail price, I think it would be very handy to have. E.g. the compact NAD system that was in the news from the December issue - I know I could google it and get a ballpark price, but it would have been nicer to have it in the mag.

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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 05:21:12 pm »
Hi Kay, problem is that most of the stuff sent to us as news items is - at the the time of going to press - actually still inbound, and the importers/distributors themselves aren't really sure what the end price will be. However, I'll nebtion your input at our next meeting which will be pretty soon (back to work, alas!), and see if we can get the relevant suppliers to give us ball-park figures.
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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 06:15:30 pm »
As a matter of interest, what is the opinion of the forum members on this publication as it stands now? Is it useful? If so, why? If not, why? What about its shelf date - right or too late? As I said, we're reworking it this year, so any input you guys can give will be very seriously looked at.

I have not seen the latest edition. I would like to receive it in my mail box, like the regular edition. Perhaps this could be included as an option to subscribers? Also, I think that round about November/December is a better time to publish it, as a lot of AV shopping happens at the end of the year. I used it when I was doing market research for an AV business I was planning at one stage. It is a very useful publication, but I would like to know on what basis you decide what products go in. How current should they be?

Hi Kay, problem is that most of the stuff sent to us as news items is - at the the time of going to press - actually still inbound, and the importers/distributors themselves aren't really sure what the end price will be. However, I'll nebtion your input at our next meeting which will be pretty soon (back to work, alas!), and see if we can get the relevant suppliers to give us ball-park figures.

It is a bit hard to believe that a business does not know how much they are going to sell their products for. How do they stay afloat? The price is one of the most important bits of info about a product that you can publish. Without this, the potential customer has no idea if he/she should be looking out for it. This may not be the case, but for me as a reader it looks just like poor journalism to exclude the price. It's a real turn-off when you have no reference point (the price) against which to  relate the product.

I'm looking forward to (reading) it.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 07:09:56 pm »
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1) As a matter of interest, what is the opinion of the forum members on this publication as it stands now?
2) Is it useful? If so, why? If not, why?
3) What about its shelf date - right or too late?

Yes, it is useful - otherwise I probably wouldn't buy it...
As to timing, I suspect the current date has more to do with fewer AVSA deadlines between November & January...  8)

Maybe another question needs to be around the "format" of the Buyer's Guide - in other words, should it be a hardcopy or should it become an electronic reference mechanism on the AVSA website? Or maybe both?

The big problem - from a buyer's perspective - with any hardcopy annual publication of this type is that it can tend to become "obsolete" before it even hits the newsstands. The obsolescence derives from two aspects:

a) Product supercession/product discontinuation/new products require the buyer to wait for the next edition a year later...
b) Pricing information is subject to change due to manufacturers' price-changes and shifts in exchange rates

The main potential problem - from a publisher's perspective - with any electronic reference "database" would be the loss of income from the sales of the hardcopy version (hence the "Or maybe both?" above).

The major effort is going to lie in the initial creation of the "database engine" and "query engine" and NOT in the creation and maintenance of the database. 

For any published hardcopy document, the content needs to be available in "machine-readable form" - either supplied by the importers as a softcopy or captured from hardcopy submissions by the publisher.  In either case, it would not be a complex exercise to create a "database loader" that would use the "machine-readable form" as input files and create the database.

While that addresses the initial "database creation" aspect, it could potentially be used to handle any maintenance via running the "database loader" in "update mode" instead of "create mode" and still use updated versions of the "machine-readable form" as input files.

What would, however, probably be a better solution to both creation and maintenance of the database, would be to provide "Add/Update Access" to the various distributors which would only allow them to Add/Update products from their ranges and would block access to products from other distributors.  This would address the obselescence aspect in terms of both product and pricing.

The end result would be a "queryable database" which could be accessed from a link in the AVSA Home Page and permit queries such as:

- Integrated Amplifier; 50wpc; R5000-R9000
- CD Player; R4000-R7500; Coaxial Digital Output
- Loudspeaker; Floorstander; Sensitivity >89dB; Bi-Wireable

The query response layouts could include all major specifications (if loaded), pricing, e-mail links, dealer listing, etc.

In fact, this database approach - if designed intelligently - could provide the basis for hosting websites for all SA audio distributors and, in this way, could potentially be an income-generating process...

One other question that is usually asked in situations such as these is "What's in it for the distributor to provide this input?"

Website creation and maintenance effort/costs could be minimised (Sorry GD, etc) and website "hit-rates" would probably be higher with this type of query facility.

Comments? Have I been in the IT industry for too long? Or is this sh*t I'm smoking actually working?

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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2008, 02:10:28 pm »
You guys are lucky - the buyers guide is still not in Polokwane ??? checked yesterday
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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2008, 03:05:25 pm »
You guys are lucky - the buyers guide is still not in Polokwane ??? checked yesterday
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Should have been there a month ago! Where did you go? A CNA?
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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2008, 04:46:48 pm »
Yes, CNA - only place who had it previous years. There was a very nice lady assisting who phoned to enquire - answer: maybe next or the following week??
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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2008, 09:58:26 am »
Could you let me know which CNA ... or is there only one in Polokwane?  ;) I'll get the distributors to chase them up for you.
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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2008, 11:51:42 am »
Hi Andrew

The buyer's guide is great as usual, thanks.

Can you perhaps tell me why products like Sonus Faber is almost never listed in here (It has been like this for years). Is the importer the party pooper here?

If so, they should realize what they are losing out on, THIS is the place where a lot of people start their searches for products in their own price bracket. If not listed, they'll loose out on some potential customers who don't know the brand that well.

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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2008, 12:07:05 pm »
Hi Andrew

The buyer's guide is great as usual, thanks.

Can you perhaps tell me why products like Sonus Faber is almost never listed in here (It has been like this for years). Is the importer the party pooper here?

If so, they should realize what they are losing out on, THIS is the place where a lot of people start their searches for products in their own price bracket. If not listed, they'll loose out on some potential customers who don't know the brand that well.

Hi RR,

I see they're listed in the At A Glance section, but I confess I have no idea why, as you say, their individual SF products are not listed in the equipment categories. I'll have to check up and see what was or wasn't submitted.
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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2008, 12:20:24 pm »
I take huge offence to the fact that the Italians aren't listed  >:( >:( >:( >:(
But then again I am living very happily with the fact that nobody really knows what they cost  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2008, 12:44:41 pm »
Hi Andrew

Thanks for your responce - there are two CNA's in Polokwane and this one (Checkers Centre - Hans van Rensburg street) is seen as the main one. I however got a copy last night from a friend who visited Gauteng over the weekend. I however do think there are still many people around who would buy one when available.

On the guide itself, a few quick comments:
The absense of detail on any HD (Blue ray/HDDVD, etc) is noted under teh DVD player section
A lot of mistakes/ommissions exist in labeling players as SACD capable/not
The column "headphone socket" under the CD player section could be used for a much more informative column stating "balanced/rca output" - the same information should be added to the pre- and power- amp sections
The amp section should have "digital" added under the "design" column as well

In general there are many ommissions of equipment that is available locally - it might be a case of distributers not submitting details, etc?

My 2c's worth for the moment

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Re: Buyers Guide - Due when?
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2008, 02:54:38 pm »
Hi Andrew

Thanks for your responce - there are two CNA's in Polokwane and this one (Checkers Centre - Hans van Rensburg street) is seen as the main one. I however got a copy last night from a friend who visited Gauteng over the weekend. I however do think there are still many people around who would buy one when available.

On the guide itself, a few quick comments:
The absense of detail on any HD (Blue ray/HDDVD, etc) is noted under teh DVD player section
A lot of mistakes/ommissions exist in labeling players as SACD capable/not
The column "headphone socket" under the CD player section could be used for a much more informative column stating "balanced/rca output" - the same information should be added to the pre- and power- amp sections
The amp section should have "digital" added under the "design" column as well

In general there are many ommissions of equipment that is available locally - it might be a case of distributers not submitting details, etc?

My 2c's worth for the moment

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Hi cft,

Thanks for the feedback. The next edition of the Guide will in all likelihood contain a number of suggestions from people such as yourself, as it is going to be completely revamped, will have different copy content, and the tables will have some columns removed/added. With regards the Blu-ray/HD-DVD side to things, I stand under correction, but it's possible that due to the almost complete absence of HD hardware at the moment, it was decided to hold back untilthe next edition. In the light of Toshiba's apparent decision to drop HD-DVD, I think it was most likely a good call. At least by the time the next edition is on the shelves, what HD players are in the country should be larger and more established. I think over all of last year we saw one HD-DVD player and three Blu-ray players. I think that this year should be different, though, now that (maybe!) the format war has been decided.

Omission of equipment is generally a case of the suppliers not submitting in time, or not submitting at all, I'm afraid.
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