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Re: mcintosh c11 preamp
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2011, 02:36:21 pm »
thanks again for the advice...will let my old man have a look ...he is a fundi at these things.....just need to know where i can buy quality components  from. i would like to keep it in its original form.

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Re: mcintosh c11 preamp
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2011, 12:43:32 am »
I agree. Do not alter the circuit. Just replace what TRUELY need to be replaced with exact spec components or closest value.

This is not quite vis-a-vis the McIntosh, but if Clicks will allow:

'Original' can sometimes be altered to advantage. E.g. power supply filter capacitors (electrolytics) of 40+ years ago were relatively LARGE things and the reliability not that of this day. One must not underestimate development in materials science. When I think of cathode bypass capacitors, 20µf-50V types of the time were fairly large and expensive. In e.g. the Quad II  I replace the KT66 cathode bypass cap with a 1000µF-50V type, in the interest of approaching fixed bias conditions during music signals, giving 16 - 18W undistorted peak output. It still fits nicely in the old capacitor's space. Would Peter Walker have minded? I think not; he would have done it in his day had it been practical.

Similarly I replace the 16 + 16µF-450V power supply caps with a 50 + 50µF-500V pair. But it is very practical to open the square 'tin' in which the original is housed, take it out and put the new one inside. Thus the appearance resembles the original. (Just put a sticker on there that it has been modified, or some other person will throw it out thinking it was still the original.) Likewise other, mainly bypass caps, could be replaced with larger values and higher voltage types (I have never liked a 6V cap) to advantage. For myself I do not think this alters the classic value of the instrument.

Sorry for the hi-jack; the intention is a general idea of what I would consider advised 'alterations' in contrast to circuit changes per se. (And then the praises sung in favour of boutique parts .... but that is another story. 'Audio quality' my foot.

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Re: mcintosh c11 preamp
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2011, 12:46:11 am »
RS Components stock quality film capacitors such as Wima, MTK, Vishay and Epcos...

Sorry, not plugging Ghostie in my previous post. I was talking about components costing 7x more than the above.
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Re: mcintosh c11 preamp
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2011, 11:14:15 am »
Agreed, but if it is possible to still use the original electrolytic capacitor/s by slowly "reforming" it with a variable DC source (for e.g. high voltage HP DC PSU with current limiting) and then furthermore if possible observing its leakage. An example is the PYE PF 91. If one replaces all its electrolytic capacitors with modern one's it will decease its "value" because this will substantively alter its original "look" as at least 4 of these big metal capacitors are on die top part of the said amplifier. To empty the tins can be done but is will be a very big job. In certain instances one could go for higher value capacitors to improve its specification but I am not so in favor of it. 

Another aspect is the re-duco of these classics. It is better to keep it with all its scratches and marks than to re-duco it. Agreed if one is so rusted it has to be done. I had to re-duco a Radford STA15 and a PYE PF91 because of this reason. Restorers of these fine vintage classics also try do use duco and not modern paints.

If possible, keep it original 

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Re: mcintosh c11 preamp
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2011, 09:36:48 pm »
thanks again for the comments...very valuable information...any advice is highly appreciated...

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Re: mcintosh c11 preamp
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2011, 09:37:23 pm »
@ ampdog..pm sent

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Re: mcintosh c11 preamp
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2011, 10:30:50 pm »
Charles,

Yes, that is a problem - I agree with you.  I have seen such with modern caps neatly mounted inside 'across' the old ones disconnected. Reforming is certainly an option, but if it had been in constant use; all electrolytics have a specified working life and long ago that was not so ideal. This is where everyone must take a decision for himself - in my case I always follow the owner's wishes.
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Re: mcintosh c11 preamp
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2011, 08:34:11 pm »
i just inherited a vintage mcintosh c11 valve preamp. it was in storage for a while...long while....it worked perfectly for a few days and it has now developed a hum which gets louder when the volume increases  ...is there anyone in the durban area that can have a look and maybe sort this problem....or any suggestions from the members as to what could possibly cause the hum..thanks  :( :(
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